Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1233; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id t41L90xF016020 for ; Fri, 1 May 2015 23:09:01 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1YoI51-0004u4-1M for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2015 22:02:39 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1YoI50-0004tv-6h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2015 22:02:38 +0100 Received: from rgout0205.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk ([65.20.0.204]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1YoI4x-0003Ch-QC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 01 May 2015 22:02:37 +0100 X-OWM-Source-IP: 86.135.162.20(GB) X-OWM-Env-Sender: alan.melia@btinternet.com X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A090201.5543E9EA.008F,ss=1,re=0.000,recu=0.000,reip=0.000,cl=1,cld=1,fgs=0 X-Junkmail-Premium-Raw: score=38/50,refid=2.7.2:2015.4.22.151224:17:38.343,ip=86.135.162.20,rules=__HAS_MSGID, __SANE_MSGID, MSGID_32HEX_LC, INVALID_MSGID_NO_FQDN, __MSGID_32HEX, __HAS_FROM, __PHISH_FROM2, __FRAUD_WEBMAIL_FROM, __TO_MALFORMED_2, __TO_NO_NAME, __REFERENCES, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT, __MIME_VERSION, __CT, __CTYPE_MULTIPART_ALT, __CTYPE_HAS_BOUNDARY, __CTYPE_MULTIPART, __HAS_X_PRIORITY, __HAS_MSMAIL_PRI, __HAS_X_MAILER, USER_AGENT_OE, __OUTLOOK_MUA_1, __USER_AGENT_MS_GENERIC, __ANY_URI, URI_ENDS_IN_HTML, __URI_NO_WWW, __CP_URI_IN_BODY, __SUBJ_ALPHA_NEGATE, SUPERLONG_LINE, __HAS_HTML, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS, BODYTEXTH_SIZE_10000_LESS, __MIME_HTML, __TAG_EXISTS_HTML, RDNS_GENERIC_POOLED, __URI_NS, SXL_IP_DYNAMIC[20.162.135.86.fur], RDNS_SUSP_GENERIC, __PHISH_FROM, __OUTLOOK_MUA, RDNS_SUSP, __FRAUD_WEBMAIL, FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, REFERENCES X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown Received: from gnat (86.135.162.20) by rgout02.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk (8.6.122.06) (authenticated as alan.melia@btinternet.com) id 5536A5AF0147BD19 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 1 May 2015 22:02:34 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=btcpcloud; t=1430514156; bh=vAMx8vwN/MBzeAJzbza1nkkR9bfIX5bAT20jlyIQMUA=; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:X-Mailer; b=AyzbBoyRPKW9wdtjKOy/GR/abMAcFytVe+nvtJn5y7GcwH52W5UChPQYNpkHLl1V3MTM7L+mL6bIs75X7WVeaZ9C7ovLHCKvTftQroTA3hogDwDVnWFnJVlKb6idGrmkSL7JmjlFj5SbarULtXcSTqlXMqcNmOGRZX3G4Mxm3Ic= Message-ID: <1DA9CB2B02334932A1DA3B83DC08A50D@gnat> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <5543B280.4000504@execulink.com> <215E9C5322354FF8BE0F54447F72043B@gnat> <5543BE59.4060705@execulink.com> Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 21:53:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Scan-Signature: f9bb43a66658129469273581af35b296 Subject: Re: LF: Re: HP 3586C selective level meter for LF and MF Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E3_01D08459.38D7D8D0" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3041 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E3_01D08459.38D7D8D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Terry if you have the tracking generator you might like to look at = this page from my web site.... http://g3nyk.ham-radio-op.net/RFZ-12.htm It details using an accessory, RFZ-12 as a test bridge that you can use = with LF aerials. I dont know whether there is an "RFZ-19" as your unit = covers a wider range Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Terry Maurice=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 6:56 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: HP 3586C selective level meter for LF and MF Hi Alan Yes, rugged indeed. :)) They are very well built, almost too well, = with more bolts than I have seen in a hardware store, when it comes to = taking them apart for repairs. Where four bolts would do, W&G put = eight. I too, find them useful for test equipment. I have the SG-4 = storage display unit and my SPM-19 has the built in tracking generator, = so it works as a poor man's spectrum analyzer, especially useful in the = low to mid frequency range. I have found it very helpful to look at = filters and such. But you are very right when you say not to expect = them to operate like a conventional radio and they take some time = getting used to, as they were built for a very different reason than = radio reception. Nice to have, but not essential kit. Terry VE3XTM=20 On 01/05/2015 13:28, Alan Melia wrote: Hi Terry I have the 12 and a 3 both with PS and SPM. They do work if = you are aware of likely problems but yes they need some external help = usually. I feel it is important that potential buyers realise that they = are not receivers like they are probably used to. They are brilliant and = useful pieces of test gear and the W&G kit is very ruggedly = made.......you need to be a bit rugged yourself to hump some of it = around :-)) Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Terry Maurice=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 6:06 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: HP 3586C selective level meter for LF and MF Hi Alan I would be interested to know which W&G selective level meters you = have. I have the SPM-16 and the SPM-19 and use them with a preamp and = AM broadcast band notch filter. They seem to work reasonably well and = signals compare well to my Flex 5000 with a Palomar Engineering VLF = upconverter. However, I live in Canada and we have very little in the = way of MW stations other than NDBs operating on the bands. I do from = time to time pick up MW stations from France, Germany and Iceland. Terry VE3XTM EN93un=20 --=20 VE3XTM EN93un=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00E3_01D08459.38D7D8D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Hi Terry if you have the tracking = generator you=20 might like to look at this page from my web site....
http://g3nyk.ham-radio-= op.net/RFZ-12.htm
It details using an accessory, = RFZ-12 as a=20 test bridge that you can use with LF aerials. I dont know whether there = is an=20 "RFZ-19" as your unit covers a wider range
 
Alan
G3NYK
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Terry=20 Maurice
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 6:56 = PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: HP 3586C = selective=20 level meter for LF and MF

Hi Alan

Yes, rugged indeed.  :))  They = are=20 very well built, almost too well, with more bolts than I have seen in = a=20 hardware store, when it comes to taking them apart for repairs.  = Where=20 four bolts would do, W&G put eight.  I too, find them useful = for test=20 equipment.  I have the SG-4 storage display unit and my SPM-19 = has the=20 built in tracking generator, so it works as a poor man's spectrum = analyzer,=20 especially useful in the low to mid frequency range.  I have = found it=20 very helpful to look at filters and such.  But you are very right = when=20 you say not to expect them to operate like a conventional radio and = they take=20 some time getting used to, as they were built for a very different = reason than=20 radio reception.  Nice to have, but not essential=20 kit.

Terry
VE3XTM

On 01/05/2015 13:28, Alan Melia = wrote:
Hi Terry I have the 12 and a 3 both = with PS and=20 SPM. They do work if you are aware of likely problems but yes they = need some=20 external help usually. I feel it is important that potential buyers = realise=20 that they are not receivers like they are probably used to. They are = brilliant and useful pieces of test gear and the W&G kit is very = ruggedly made.......you need to be a bit rugged yourself to hump = some of it=20 around :-))
 
Alan
G3NYK
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Terry Maurice
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 = 6:06=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: HP = 3586C=20 selective level meter for LF and MF

Hi Alan

I would be interested to know which = W&G=20 selective level meters you have.  I have the SPM-16 and the = SPM-19=20 and use them with a preamp and AM broadcast band notch = filter.  They=20 seem to work reasonably well and signals compare well to my Flex = 5000 with=20 a Palomar Engineering VLF upconverter.  However, I live in = Canada and=20 we have very little in the way of MW stations other than NDBs = operating on=20 the bands.  I do from time to time pick up MW stations from = France,=20 Germany and Iceland.

Terry

VE3XTM EN93un

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