Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id t09K0ZFJ022562 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2015 21:00:36 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Y9fYx-0002qd-JW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2015 19:49:39 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Y9fYx-0002qU-2e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2015 19:49:39 +0000 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1Y9fYv-0007NA-2s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 09 Jan 2015 19:49:37 +0000 Received: from AGB ([95.145.230.202]) by mwinf5d04 with ME id dvpb1p0054NflbT03vpbR0; Fri, 09 Jan 2015 20:49:36 +0100 X-ME-Helo: AGB X-ME-Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 20:49:36 +0100 X-ME-IP: 95.145.230.202 Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <46D2E1AF22D14849AD1095081F7613AB@AGB>, <000c01d02b55$440817e0$6401a8c0@JAYDELL>, <8592571821BB4496B94ADC934CBC0555@AGB> <54AFB76C.6741.54B7FD@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-Reply-To: <54AFB76C.6741.54B7FD@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 19:49:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Scan-Signature: 92b6515a4252c45136e975e6745a1e0d Subject: Re: LF: New version OPERA >> ''Opera Dynamic'' << Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0156_01D02C45.64D7E360" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1901 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0156_01D02C45.64D7E360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mike , new version 1-5-6 =20 In this a single false opdy spot is flagged with Deep Search = ?? Two spots of the same station are taken as Ok text is=20 19:29 136 JA8SCD de JA8SCD/1 Op32 Deep Search ?? 0 mi -42 dB in Tokyo In this case . JA is real , but only 1 station detect the = signal , but as only 1 report , tagged ''??'' This is the disputed time . the 4 mins is not a timed event , = its determined by varying factors ,=20 in this case two spots at 0034 would indicate a genuine spot = , last night some showed 5 mins lag=20 -19 OPERA 0.136 08/01/2015 00:32 United States 1420677133 WD2XNS FN31LS = W3NF FM19MH RX Op32 291=20 -33 OPERA 0.136 08/01/2015 00:32 United States 1420677133 WD2XNS FN31LS = WD4KPD FM15MM RX Op32 291=20 -17 OPERA 0.136 08/01/2015 00:32 United States 1420677133 WD2XNS FN31LS = K3SIW-1 EN52TA RX Op32 291=20 -42 OPERA 0.136 08/01/2015 00:34 United States 1420677244 WD2XNS FN31LS = SV8CS KM07JR=20 -42 OPERA 0.136 08/01/2015 00:34 United States 1420677246 WD2XNS FN31LS = 2E0ILY IO82QV RX Op32 291=20 In this case , LA3EQ is spotted by 2 op decodes , with 5 min = lag for DY, could be +/- 59 seconds inside the 1 min step as = well .. spot passed by quality check=20 19:39 136 LA3EQ de G3XDV Op32 Deep Search 515 mi -40 dB in Welwyn = IO91VT with 0.01w + Marconi-T 19:34 136 LA3EQ de DL-SWL Op32 437 mi -28 dB F:6% in nr Wolfsburg = with 0.01w + Marconi-T 19:34 136 LA3EQ de DF1VB Op32 485 mi -34 dB F:3% in Dortmund with = 0.01w + Marconi-T 73-G,=20 -------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Dennison" Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 11:11 AM To: Subject: Re: LF: New version OPERA >> ''Opera Dynamic'' << =20 > Graham, >=20 > The example you give below does not prove your case. In fact it does=20 > the opposite. The last figure in the OPDS readout, "15.4dB", shows=20 > that the decode is at the very edge of deciding that it is true and=20 > must therefore be viewed with suspicion. OP does not have that kind=20 > of figure. There is a lot of information in both the OPDS and WSPR=20 > data that can flag up possible false decodes. The beauty of Opera is=20 > that it is simple, but that is creating a problem here. >=20 >> I don't even have a 136 Tx and am regularly spotted on 136=20 >>=20 >> 2015-01-01 19:01:38 G0NBD 2056km 137513.376Hz 3mHz -36.6dBOp 95% >> 15.4dB >=20 > The information below is even more worrying. Until now it seemed that=20 > every false decode was reported by only one station. Jay says he was=20 > not active but two stations concluded that what they saw was his=20 > transmission.=20 >=20 >> This looks convincing to me, two at the same time into UK/SV=20 >>=20 >> 00:34 136 WD2XNS de SV8CS Op32 Deep Search 4722 mi -42 dB in >> Zakynthos Island with 1w + 00:34 136 WD2XNS de 2E0ILY Op32 Deep >> Search 3245 mi -42 dB in Shropshire IO82qv with 1w +=20 >=20 > This is definitely still a work in progress. >=20 > Mike, G3XDV > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > ------=_NextPart_000_0156_01D02C45.64D7E360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Mike ,  new  version  1-5-6   =

In=20 this  a  single  false  opdy   spot  = is =20 flagged  with    Deep Search = ?? =20 Two  spots  of the  same  station  are taken as = Ok  text  is 

19:29 136 JA8SCD de JA8SCD/1 Op32 Deep Search ?? 0 = mi -42=20 dB in Tokyo


In this  case .  JA is real  , but  = only =20 1  station   detect   the  signal , = but =20 as  only  1  report ,  tagged  = ''??''

This =20 is  the  disputed  time .  the  4  = mins =20 is  not  a  timed event ,  its  = determined =20 by  varying  factors ,
in this  case  two =20 spots   at  0034 would  indicate  a =20 genuine   spot ,  last night  some  = showed  5=20 mins  lag


-19 OPERA 0.136 08/01/2015 00:32 United = States=20 1420677133 WD2XNS FN31LS W3NF FM19MH RX Op32 291
-33 OPERA 0.136 = 08/01/2015=20 00:32 United States 1420677133 WD2XNS FN31LS WD4KPD FM15MM RX Op32 291 =
-17=20 OPERA 0.136 08/01/2015 00:32 United States 1420677133 WD2XNS FN31LS = K3SIW-1=20 EN52TA RX Op32 291
-42 OPERA 0.136 08/01/2015 00:34 United States = 1420677244=20 WD2XNS FN31LS SV8CS KM07JR
-42 OPERA 0.136 08/01/2015 00:34 United = States=20 1420677246 WD2XNS FN31LS 2E0ILY IO82QV RX Op32 291

In this  = case=20 ,  LA3EQ  is  spotted  by 2  op decodes  , = with  5 min  lag  for  DY, could  be  = +/- =20 59  seconds  inside  the  1  min  step = as =20 well ..  spot  passed  by  quality  check=20

19:39    136 LA3EQ de G3XDV Op32 Deep Search 515 = mi -40=20 dB in Welwyn IO91VT with 0.01w + Marconi-T
19:34    = 136 LA3EQ=20 de DL-SWL Op32 437 mi -28 dB F:6% in nr Wolfsburg with 0.01w +=20 Marconi-T
19:34    136 LA3EQ de DF1VB Op32 485 mi -34 = dB F:3%=20 in Dortmund with 0.01w + Marconi-T


73-G,=20



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Fro= m:=20 "Mike Dennison" <mike.dennison@ntlworld.com>
Sent: Friday, = January 09,=20 2015 11:11 AM
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Subject: = Re: LF:=20 New version  OPERA  >>  ''Opera Dynamic'' = << =20

> Graham,
>
> The example you give below does = not prove=20 your case. In fact it does
> the opposite. The last figure in the = OPDS=20 readout, "15.4dB", shows
> that the decode is at the very edge of = deciding that it is true and
> must therefore be viewed with = suspicion.=20 OP does not have that kind
> of figure. There is a lot of = information in=20 both the OPDS and WSPR
> data that can flag up possible false = decodes.=20 The beauty of Opera is
> that it is simple, but that is creating = a=20 problem here.
>
>> I don't even   have  = a =20 136  Tx  and  am  regularly  spotted on 136=20
>>
>> 2015-01-01 19:01:38 G0NBD   2056km=20 137513.376Hz   3mHz -36.6dBOp  95%
>> = 15.4dB
>=20
> The information below is even more worrying. Until now it = seemed that=20
> every false decode was reported by only one station. Jay says = he was=20
> not active but two stations concluded that what they saw was = his=20
> transmission.
>
>> This looks  convincing = to  me, two  at  the  same time into  UK/SV=20
>>
>> 00:34    136 WD2XNS de SV8CS = Op32 Deep=20 Search 4722 mi -42 dB in
>> Zakynthos Island with 1w +=20 00:34    136 WD2XNS de 2E0ILY Op32 Deep
>> = Search 3245=20 mi -42 dB in Shropshire IO82qv with 1w +
>
> This is = definitely=20 still a work in progress.
>
> Mike, G3XDV
>=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
>
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