Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1233; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_RCVD_HELO, RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id sB4IAwrN013683 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 19:10:58 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Xwai0-0006kZ-Km for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 18:00:56 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Xwai0-0006kQ-56 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 18:00:56 +0000 Received: from parrot.netcom.co.uk ([217.72.171.49]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1Xwahy-00051r-BA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 18:00:55 +0000 Received: from sb.abelian.org (i-194-106-52-83.freedom2surf.net [194.106.52.83]) by parrot.netcom.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC6113273C0 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 18:00:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sb.abelian.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DFCE28A12BD for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 18:00:53 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <5480A155.5020205@abelian.org> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 18:00:53 +0000 From: Paul Nicholson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130106 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <547E1C5B.7040902@freenet.de> <547E22D9.6000301@abelian.org> In-Reply-To: <547E22D9.6000301@abelian.org> X-Scan-Signature: 7ab87d4d3ea1d9dcb73a78e83fe4d608 Subject: Re: VLF: W4DEX in Europe at 8820 Hz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1418 Examining W4DEX at Todmorden overnight on 1st/2nd Dec... S/N dB in 278uHz and signal phase in 1 hour steps: From dB phase 22:30 7.6 80.4 23:00 8.9 90.9 23:30 9.1 115.6 00:00 6.3 106.2 00:30 7.9 30.6 01:00 7.9 60.4 01:30 11.8 88.8 02:00 10.1 78.6 02:30 10.8 62.7 03:00 10.0 77.3 The effect of the terminator is lasting a bit longer than LWPC predicts and it doesn't really settle down until 01:00. But the phase doesn't go too wild, just a bit of a wobble and it could still be usable if the S/N was a bit higher. From 01:00 to 04:00 is very good but not long enough for a worthwhile message. Some calculation shows that with a rate 1/8 K=25 FEC code a 5 character message could be sent between 23:20 and 04:00 using 30 second symbols with reasonable chance of success if the S/N was averaging around 10.0 dB during the night. There's a very steep cliff effect with this coding, an extra dB would make it almost certainly successful. We could probably do that with a bit of extra antenna current and a low background night. Background noise for European receivers over four recent nights http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/141204-vlf1.png http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/141204-vlf6.png http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/141204-vlf15.png Some nights are 3dB better than others, and a good night at one site is not necessarily good at the others. At Bielefeld the estimated signal strength is around 30nV. With antenna capacitance of say 20pF, that's an alternating charge of amplitude around 6e-19 Coulombs which is about 4 electron charges. We don't actually have 4 electrons oscillating between ground and antenna. Instead there is an oscillating displacement of the average position of all the free electrons in the antenna wire with amplitude of around about 15 or so proton diameters. -- Paul Nicholson --