Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1233; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=unavailable version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id sBMJt5EO007112 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 20:55:05 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Y38v6-0001Hx-PO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 19:45:32 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Y38v6-0001Ho-BV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 19:45:32 +0000 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1Y38v4-0000g0-Ex for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2014 19:45:31 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvIMACB0mFRcH42sPGdsb2JhbABbgkNDgSqDBIMqsjGTVQQCAoEaFwEBAQEBAQUBAQEBODuEDAEBAQECAQgbMygGAQQFAwMRBAEBKwICOQoMCAYTCAmIEwy6SJVpAQEBAQYBAQEBAQEBG4oKhRAKVQaCYi6BEwWMOoFXTIkzii+CVoM5gi+BYT4xgQMGgToBAQE X-IPAS-Result: AvIMACB0mFRcH42sPGdsb2JhbABbgkNDgSqDBIMqsjGTVQQCAoEaFwEBAQEBAQUBAQEBODuEDAEBAQECAQgbMygGAQQFAwMRBAEBKwICOQoMCAYTCAmIEwy6SJVpAQEBAQYBAQEBAQEBG4oKhRAKVQaCYi6BEwWMOoFXTIkzii+CVoM5gi+BYT4xgQMGgToBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,626,1413241200"; d="scan'208,217";a="125048602" Received: from host-92-31-141-172.as13285.net (HELO malPC) ([92.31.141.172]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 22 Dec 2014 19:45:29 +0000 Message-ID: <4EA6137C5BF340A6A5A0D36E83749222@malPC> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <00b601d01d18$87884620$9698d260$@nifty.com> <5A42D7F671FE4DBEAEAD33E87D02E740@F6CNIHPg7> In-Reply-To: <5A42D7F671FE4DBEAEAD33E87D02E740@F6CNIHPg7> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2014 19:45:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 X-Scan-Signature: 92b6515a4252c45136e975e6745a1e0d Subject: LF: Re: Japan on 475 kHz. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01D01E1F.E0D8D2F0" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1575 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01D01E1F.E0D8D2F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andy It is certainly possible with good antennas at each end, skilled CW = operators and suitable propagation with the appropriate EIRP=20 QRSS 10 should also do the trick !! 73 ES GL DE MAL/G3KEV From: Guy=C3=A9 Andr=C3=A9=20 Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 4:17 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Japan on 475 kHz. HI Mal. The same here, I have worked on 160m CW more than 100 different JA = calls, especially in the beginning when they was allowed only on the = short segment 1907.5 to 1912.5 kHz (from the 1991 year if my memory is = not too bad...). It was great fun moments indeed ! I agree with you, Mal. For DX, the Propagation on both MF BANDS 160 and = 630 meters similar. The only diference is the ERP power, because on 630 = m the standard ham antennas have not 100 % of efficiency, HI. Best 73 de Andy F6CNI. -----Message d'origine-----=20 From: mal hamilton=20 Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 5:01 PM=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Re: Japan on 475 kHz.=20 Hi all Over the years I have worked many JA stns on 160 metres CW and look = forward=20 to doing the same on 630 metres Propagation on both MF BANDS similar de MAL/G3KEV -----Original Message-----=20 From: Dimitrios Tsifakis Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 11:57 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: Japan on 475 kHz. Hi Hideho san, Thank you for the update. I am glad to hear that even though you have all these tough restrictions, Japanese amateurs are planning portable operations in the new band! > I would like to know the situations in the already operating stations. > Do you have any BC QRM problem ? (I mean making interference, not=20 > receiving), > and what care do you take ? I have not heard of any complains about interference to the MW BC service because of operation on 630m here in Australia. We are allowed 5 W EIRP and operators do transmit at that level. My guess is that the lack of interference complains is partly because of the generally good practice on behalf of the few amateurs that are making use of the band and partly because of limited audience of the MW BC stations. > LPF, what kind, other means ? > How much is your harmonic attenuation ? or filter attenuation ? > Information highly appreciated, I use a low pass filter which ensures that the harmonics are -50 dBc or lower. I think the tuned antenna also helps with not radiating too much harmonics power. 73, Dimitris VK1SV=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01D01E1F.E0D8D2F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Andy
It is certainly possible with good antennas at each = end,=20 skilled CW operators and suitable propagation with the appropriate EIRP=20
QRSS 10 should also do the trick !!
 
73 ES GL DE MAL/G3KEV
 
 
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Japan on 475 kHz.
 
HI Mal.
 
The same here, I have worked on 160m CW more than = 100=20 different JA calls, especially in the beginning when they was allowed = only on=20 the short segment 1907.5 to 1912.5 kHz (from the 1991 year if my memory = is not=20 too bad...). It was great fun moments indeed !
 
I agree with you, Mal. For DX, the Propagation on = both MF=20 BANDS 160 and 630 meters similar. The only diference is the ERP power, = because=20 on 630 m the standard ham antennas have not 100 % of efficiency, = HI.
 
Best 73 de Andy F6CNI.
 
 
-----Message d'origine-----
From: mal hamilton
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 5:01 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Re: Japan on 475 kHz.
 
Hi all
Over the years I have worked many JA stns on 160 metres CW and look = forward=20
to doing the same on 630 metres
Propagation on both MF BANDS similar
de MAL/G3KEV
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Dimitrios Tsifakis
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 11:57 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Japan on 475 kHz.
 
Hi Hideho san,
 
Thank you for the update. I am glad to hear that even though you = have
all these tough restrictions, Japanese amateurs are planning = portable
operations in the new band!
 
 
> I would like to know the situations in the already operating=20 stations.
> Do you have any BC QRM problem ? (I mean making interference, = not=20
> receiving),
> and what care do you take ?
 
I have not heard of any complains about interference to the MW = BC
service because of operation on 630m here in Australia. We are=20 allowed
5 W EIRP and operators do transmit at that level. My guess is that=20 the
lack of interference complains is partly because of the generally=20 good
practice on behalf of the few amateurs that are making use of the=20 band
and partly because of limited audience of the MW BC stations.
 
> LPF, what kind, other means ?
> How much is your harmonic attenuation ? or filter attenuation = ?
> Information highly appreciated,
 
 
I use a low pass filter which ensures that the harmonics are -50 = dBc
or lower. I think the tuned antenna also helps with not radiating = too
much harmonics power.
 
73, Dimitris VK1SV
 
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