Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id sBN3W6B5007878 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 04:32:07 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Y3G6X-0002iG-Q2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 03:25:49 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Y3G6X-0002i7-C0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 03:25:49 +0000 Received: from conuserg012.nifty.com ([202.248.44.38] helo=conuserg012-v.nifty.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3G6U-0001Xo-M7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 03:25:48 +0000 Received: from HidehoDell (g176104.scn-net.ne.jp [219.117.176.104]) (authenticated) by conuserg012-v.nifty.com with ESMTP id sBN3PT6k001323 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 12:25:29 +0900 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=nifty.com Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=nifty.com; s=mar2011msa; t=1419305129; bh=4ECzDUZd0KfrJkeik8aTQDLbWSgsgNCxBKZPz/dKzts=; h=From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=nkdCXi2wk6dMFl3IK8WUlRugNghVUOJN9gtGmKWC1J8S6SPiumbLgTwaHFZ79u8TD F2VX4p9VKb/2jQpCAicHdUiLqs9a+6wNQrJXur8FZA041Y76rPpCzxU51Cv5d53NiJ M/fEm+0LcDRPyEYf+jaQhrd63aivj9JRVkfa7bEI= X-Nifty-SrcIP: [219.117.176.104] From: "Hideho YAMAMURA" To: References: <00b601d01d18$87884620$9698d260$@nifty.com> <003001d01e44$a16ae110$e440a330$@nifty.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 12:25:21 +0900 Message-ID: <006801d01e60$15eb9a00$41c2ce00$@nifty.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQK/c0x7zLDhEKX/tG52Wjzd9moXYQEtYwZ4AhKV+OcAiccMEALaHC7rmoiyyfA= Content-Language: ja X-HELO-Warning: Remote host 202.248.44.38 (conuserg012.nifty.com) used invalid HELO/EHLO conuserg012-v.nifty.com - verification failed X-Scan-Signature: 64a43ebf6189d3fbac7adf77f3718769 Subject: RE: LF: RE: Japan on 475 kHz. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by paranoid.lipkowski.org id sBN3W6B5007878 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1585 Hello Dimitris-san, > 1) 43 db + 10*log(PEP) > 2) 50 dB we have the same regulation (with grace period now), but, it seems that the ministry was afraid of the actual interference, hence, on site test. In my quick calculation, I assumed 0.3uV/m harmonic at AM BC receiver point, which is about -60dBc from AM BC carrier 250uV/m in weak areas, assuming S/N of about 40dB for audio output, and, for distance of 30m, 1pW EIRP was the limit, and for 10m distance 1fW EIRP was the limit, that are -120dBc to -150dBc relative to 1W EIRP transmit. I hope my calculation is wrong. Do people have measured data of the noise level at around 950kHz? I am to try to measure it quantitatively, hopefully during the new year holiday. 73, Hideho YAMAMUA, JF1DMQ > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dimitrios > Tsifakis > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 10:58 AM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: RE: Japan on 475 kHz. > > Hi Hideho san, > > >> I use a low pass filter which ensures that the harmonics are -50 dBc > >> or lower. I think the tuned antenna also helps with not radiating too > >> much > > My quick calculation resulted in -120dBc necessary, to reduce QRM to > > adjacent houses, (I may be wrong)., and I am thinking how to make it. > > In Australia, for frequencies below 30 MHz we need to reduce our harmonics > by the lesser of: > 1) 43 db + 10*log(PEP) > 2) 50 dB > > where PEP is peak power to the antenna. When I was allocated an experimental > license for 500 kHz, I was asked to demonstrate that my harmonics are reduced > by 60 dB (from memory). > > 73, Dimitris Vk1SV