Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1233; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id sB4JZClX013932 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 20:35:12 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Xwc5G-0006xD-3b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 19:29:02 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Xwc5F-0006x4-Q7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 19:29:01 +0000 Received: from resqmta-ch2-11v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1Xwc5C-0005I5-Rr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 19:29:00 +0000 Received: from resomta-ch2-15v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.111]) by resqmta-ch2-11v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id PXTy1p0042Qkjl901XUwMv; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 19:28:56 +0000 Received: from Owner ([69.143.126.216]) by resomta-ch2-15v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id PXUv1p00C4gFcuV01XUvJ3; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 19:28:56 +0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=comcast.net Result=Signature OK From: To: References: <547E1C5B.7040902@freenet.de> <547E22D9.6000301@abelian.org> <5480A155.5020205@abelian.org> In-Reply-To: <5480A155.5020205@abelian.org> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 14:28:35 -0500 Message-ID: <001d01d00ff8$8376c750$8a6455f0$@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQI0MhfJCrw0IHHrXURGHfPqeFQ+4QEt+M9RAm1NBOObmqRv0A== Content-Language: en-us DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1417721336; bh=XZIZWPi+F/jd3chgkUEUP9cB07teBv2BCeeyZMsVjZU=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=K8MpUtXv27Gd3/weuitZ4RwPUb5zyUj0oykokAkNHeuO+H6lvyW+bLDiRQQtVtCl5 w6bgkb0K5CJKOW3l5+Jk6x3h9g/fnN/lIgCwyiw4FNGXLSSGXZv80ChvjX6vas/tum bFgRUQ+mmPl+3UE1mxSx0Xkl1YwbHn8510Zjjey1N8gRszsiHTdtshNqaFUQ3l8bWm yi4+ZwxPJ94kNUT+bCWwpsxhv3iehoTHaFYcUOZpSfPizpGj+2AdzU3eNiljnw03o6 6jvV2bu7XRQWtYhkkSeyn7KcGrwhLP1OZr5dGfCuIjht1KFsGLXz3hyDMosUfIFI9d CjMO4UZr3AlZQ== X-Scan-Signature: 1bc6486c2865e7dc2ff7578e6d7fc226 Subject: RE: VLF: W4DEX in Europe at 8820 Hz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1419 Paul, Good info and results! LWPC is acknowledged as having a rather poor terminator model; no suggested workaround that I know of, other than customized LWPC or other customized EIW modeler. Do you know offhand what field strength (fT) corresponds to your 30nV 4e- received signal level? At this location in northern Virginia I can run 10uW ERP at 8820 Hz for ~ 12 hour periods; oscillator stability may be ~100uHz. Do I need more power and better stability for a T/A attempt? Thanks also to Dex for displacing the four electrons, they went to good use. 73, Jim AA5BW -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Paul Nicholson Sent: Thursday, December 4, 2014 1:01 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: VLF: W4DEX in Europe at 8820 Hz Examining W4DEX at Todmorden overnight on 1st/2nd Dec... S/N dB in 278uHz and signal phase in 1 hour steps: From dB phase 22:30 7.6 80.4 23:00 8.9 90.9 23:30 9.1 115.6 00:00 6.3 106.2 00:30 7.9 30.6 01:00 7.9 60.4 01:30 11.8 88.8 02:00 10.1 78.6 02:30 10.8 62.7 03:00 10.0 77.3 The effect of the terminator is lasting a bit longer than LWPC predicts and it doesn't really settle down until 01:00. But the phase doesn't go too wild, just a bit of a wobble and it could still be usable if the S/N was a bit higher. From 01:00 to 04:00 is very good but not long enough for a worthwhile message. Some calculation shows that with a rate 1/8 K=25 FEC code a 5 character message could be sent between 23:20 and 04:00 using 30 second symbols with reasonable chance of success if the S/N was averaging around 10.0 dB during the night. There's a very steep cliff effect with this coding, an extra dB would make it almost certainly successful. We could probably do that with a bit of extra antenna current and a low background night. Background noise for European receivers over four recent nights http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/141204-vlf1.png http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/141204-vlf6.png http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/141204-vlf15.png Some nights are 3dB better than others, and a good night at one site is not necessarily good at the others. At Bielefeld the estimated signal strength is around 30nV. With antenna capacitance of say 20pF, that's an alternating charge of amplitude around 6e-19 Coulombs which is about 4 electron charges. We don't actually have 4 electrons oscillating between ground and antenna. Instead there is an oscillating displacement of the average position of all the free electrons in the antenna wire with amplitude of around about 15 or so proton diameters. -- Paul Nicholson --