Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1233; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=unavailable version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id s99EJfru026494 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2014 16:19:41 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1XcESJ-0008GW-0D for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2014 15:12:35 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1XcESI-0008GN-I8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2014 15:12:34 +0100 Received: from mail-oi0-f41.google.com ([209.85.218.41]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1XcESG-0002Cq-JF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2014 15:12:33 +0100 Received: by mail-oi0-f41.google.com with SMTP id u20so2817815oif.14 for ; Thu, 09 Oct 2014 07:12:30 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=9Lj81qoO2aKr84OlwVixyw2WNKsdpBqIwsvJ4MfxgDo=; b=JO3R7vSpZcKpQCFc35pMczT5nHZxU2XIXUb4bAe+5F8EtzEj/dg2oPwDN8mURM5pI4 6lCA8EyAVjj9qfQ33iZTdbACtAdNT+IpO9jscaji4xUNPipOtai08awLr47hTaDrSKne AMtDxiegLDUVLuRGe0hxZG7+Pp2e6XEhZugE9c+/MI09F1tTf3+kPi9AyzB9XTGPwIPN WoRg8DR++CEzM16KPTNfbhop4otWUsc2qyQwES+yu/BfIuBWVrQqmWpG80Bx/dKS8XO8 ZOtt1evPqzAVKa2LYIQ9I0KNEBqAQt6WXEC5n0+R2N6s0VpdCEK8AytLmb5cnYPBLa8F qGRA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.174.197 with SMTP id bu5mr23372343oec.3.1412863950306; Thu, 09 Oct 2014 07:12:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.44.100 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Oct 2014 07:12:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <54368434.2000405@gmail.com> References: <54368434.2000405@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 10:12:30 -0400 Message-ID: From: Warren Ziegler To: rsgb_lf_group X-Scan-Signature: 0b36c952c26be93e626fe2fa1c93657f Subject: Re: LF: ELF communications ? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bd6c6e0dfd1470504fe0556 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 734 --047d7bd6c6e0dfd1470504fe0556 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Stefan, Let us know the result! The U.S. Navy had a facility at Clam Lake Wisconsin using 3 MW and a 45km long antenna they achieved 8W ERP at 76Hz, see more at: http://fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/c3i/fs_clam_lake_elf2003.pdf 73 Warren On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 8:48 AM, DK7FC <73dk7fc@googlemail.com> wrote: > Hi ELF, > > This afternoon i'm attempting to transmit on my INV-L on 136.172 Hz (not > kHz!). Just preparing my H bridge VLF PA and i intend to use an old 10 kV > transformer which i got from an old furnance (to inflame the oil stream), > see https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19882028/VLF/10kV%20Trafo.jpg > > Will that work on 2.4 km distance? It's well inside the near field. Which > mode could be possible? QRSS-3? CW? > The 2200000 m band, or 2.2 Mm band :-) A near field of 350 km !! > I hope i can apply 10 kV to the antenna. It will not be resonated. And > maybe i will see harmonics as well, because the input is rectangular... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC > > -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 --047d7bd6c6e0dfd1470504fe0556 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Stefan,

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The U.S. Navy had a facility at Clam Lake Wisconsin u= sing 3 MW and a 45km long antenna they achieved 8W ERP at 76Hz, see more at= :

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 8:48 AM,= DK7FC <73dk7fc@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hi ELF,

This afternoon i'm attempting to transmit on my INV-L on 136.172 Hz (no= t kHz!). Just preparing my H bridge VLF PA and i intend to use an old 10 kV= transformer which i got from an old furnance (to inflame the oil stream), = see https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1988202= 8/VLF/10kV%20Trafo.jpg

Will that work on 2.4 km distance? It's well inside the near field. Whi= ch mode could be possible? QRSS-3? CW?
The 2200000 m band, or 2.2 Mm band :-) A near field of 350 km !!
I hope i can apply 10 kV to the antenna. It will not be resonated. And mayb= e i will see harmonics as well, because the input is rectangular...

73, Stefan/DK7FC




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