Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1356; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id s98KG9QI022664 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 22:16:09 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1XbxbO-0005cG-JQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2014 21:12:50 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1XbxbO-0005c7-9Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2014 21:12:50 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1XbxbL-0006kq-N2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Oct 2014 21:12:49 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.31.59.193]) by mwinf5d11 with ME id 0kCm1p00F4A8hTW03kCm4t; Wed, 08 Oct 2014 22:12:46 +0200 X-ME-Helo: AGB X-ME-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2014 22:12:46 +0200 X-ME-IP: 2.31.59.193 Message-ID: <5746298E463E4D24A5611936CAFDC1E9@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <621ECFC5FFD44C5989A1DA8C7DE6D149@AGB> <542DB6ED.1050101@psk31.plus.com> <0ED8E8831B5B4AF7B303B9D722D436B0@AGB> <542ED037.5020506@psk31.plus.com> <5431727C.3040406@psk31.plus.com> <54317AAA.90402@psk31.plus.com> <5431A0DB.80403@psk31.plus.com> <54328508.9090008@psk31.plus.com> <442B6841C207457E9BA9503C99BE0AC2@GaryAsus> <54351E18.6050406@psk31.plus.com> <5BCF0F1AA6F84ED089AB131E5A336477@AGB> <5435718E.9080100@psk31.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <5435718E.9080100@psk31.plus.com> Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 21:12:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Scan-Signature: 29f208b223fe7a2cb359508e38e2ea2d Subject: Re: LF: WSPR and OPERA test 474.2 dial Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 722 Ed, Opera reports are listed on the application and you can extract them from the psk-data base , using these ftp commands , bit old school but works, gives you a zipped excel file Just set the parameter senderCallsign=xxxxx rather than receiverCallsign=xxxxx callsign=xxxxx does both send and receive reports http://pskreporter.info/cgi-bin/pskdata.pl?days=7&receiverCallsign=G0nbd http://pskreporter.info/cgi-bin/pskdata.pl?days=7&senderCallsign=g3zjo Two decodes tonight ... signal about 10 dB stronger , according to the sushi what is the power increase ? 73-G, 1936 -21 -1.4 0.475727 0 G3ZJO IO92 10 19:52 477 G3ZJO Op8 -19 dB | --- --- ------ ----- ----- ----- ---------------------- ------------------------- --------- -- -------- - - - -| Fade: 18% -------------------------------------------------- From: "g3zjo" Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 6:17 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: WSPR and OPERA test 474.2 dial > Thanks for the decodes and timings Graham, with the various reports in > different places and fleeting nature of the Opera reports (I have to go to > the shack for those, WSPR is on the Laptop) it takes the view from your > end to spot it. Additionally I don't know when you are monitoring, and I > was fiddling about with timings. > > The WSPR database confirms there were transmissions at 17:08 and 17:40 so > yep we have Opera8 extending down into the noise a bit, as it should. > Tonight will be interesting, with the higher power we have a new > opportunity for seeing more. > > Of course, yes, they are different systems its just the usefulness I am > interested in. > > I have now added another chance of a WSPR2 decode into the test frame > period, actually we should have 4 chances aye. > > 73 Eddie > > On 08/10/2014 16:58, Graham wrote: >> >> ''So I am still looking for WSPR2 to disappear into the noise and OP8 to >> produce reports''. >> >> That's exactly what happened ! :) >> >> OP8 has a lower decode threshold that wspr-2 and provides >> functionality in higher noise levels , ie after dark static , as >> can be seen from the two decodes at -33 and -32 dB >> >> I took one wspr-2 and 3 x OP8 decode from you , the only >> wspr-2 decode , at 16:40 / 16:38 >> >> Wspr reported peak s/n of -31 dB , Opera 8 gave a average level >> of -32 dB , with fade / loss of 12% of signal >> This would suggest , the path was reasonably constant and was in >> 100% daylight at that time. >> >> Two further OP8 decodes occurred at 17:06 and 17:38 going into >> darkness , no other low level decodes Op8 or wspr occurred , and at >> around 20:30 z I reverted to 477 KHz . >> >> Dont forget , these are two totally different systems , one is >> 4FSK time division system , the other Manchester coded OOK Opera >> is in use from Lf to 10 GHz , with the same bit pattern , just >> the time and dsp parameters are changed to match the requirements, >> ''as versatile as a egg'' as the advert used to say.. >> >> 73-Graham >> G0NBD >> >> >> >> As our North Mediterranean VHF users find ...using Op05 on 2 meters >> >> Crazy gang rise again ! ;-) >> >> EA9MH I1PSC 2m OPERA 1439 km 20:19:53 >> >> Today we have an unusual link from EB5EA in north Valencia to EA9MH in >> Melilla crossing a landa path >> full of >1500m mountains. Not usual ! >> >> >> 474.2 Test results as viewed from Io83LK >> >> 2014-10-07 16:40 G3ZJO 0.475728 -31 0 IO92ng 0.001 G0NBD IO83lk 195 313 >> >> >> 17:38 477 G3ZJO Op8 -32 dB >> |--------------- ------------------------- --------- >> ------------------ ----- >> - ----- - -- ---- ------- ----- ------| Fade: 13% >> 17:06 477 G3ZJO Op8 -33 dB >> |-- ----------------------- ------------------- ---------- --- - ----- >> -------- >> - ----------- ------- -- ------------ -| Fade: 12% >> 16:38 477 G3ZJO Op8 -32 dB >> ------ ----- ------------ ------- -- ------------------- >> ----------------------------- >> ------ ------------- | Fade: 15% >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "g3zjo" >> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 12:20 PM >> To: >> Subject: Re: LF: WSPR and OPERA test 474.2 dial >> >>> On 06/10/2014 15:23, Gary - G4WGT wrote: >>>> When are you starting your tests ?? >>>> >>>> I have set up at this end. >>> >>> Hello Gary / LF >>> >>> Gary you got the 11:08 Opera8 transmission then.:-) >>> >>> I have put the 10W PA on now for a further period of test, OP8 v WSPR2. >>> Results so far using QRPp show the same as my tests in 2012. >>> Op8 shows higher noise reports than WSPR2, both modes drop out at the >>> same level, OP8 takes four times as long to do it. >>> >>> So I am still looking for WSPR2 to disappear into the noise and OP8 to >>> produce reports. >>> >>> 73 Eddie G3ZJO >>> >> >> >> --- >> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus >> protection is active. >> http://www.avast.com >> >> > > >