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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Mark, 200W in such a loop and 8.97 or 8.27 kHz, CW, my guess is that the distance is less than 2 km. 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But it depends on the type of the RX antenna (E or H field). 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 25.06.2014 18:47, schrieb mbdittmar@comcast.net: > Hi - > > I've been following the discussion on 9 khz transmit antennas with > some interest, as a friend of mine, Tom, KD0VBR, has done some > preliminary experimentation in this area ( using large loading coils > w/ vertical ). Tom asked me to post a query regarding some antenna > ideas he has, and it would be great to hear the group's thoughts on > them and whether they might work or not. 73, Mark AB0CW > > Below are his questions: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From: *"Pouliot, Tom" > *To: *"Dittmar, Mark" > *Sent: *Wednesday, June 25, 2014 8:51:48 AM > *Subject: *RE: LF: VLF in Canada - earth loop > > Hi Mark, > That would be great if you could post some questions about > transmitting loops for VLF. > Thinking about a square loop 200' per side 10' off the ground #8 wire > with 200 watts into the antenna. How far away could one expect to be > able to detect a CW signal ? ( not QRSS) > Another possibility would be a triangular loop 200' per side with a > 50' high apex. > > Tom > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------000409060209000109000202 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Mark,

200W in such a loop and 8.97 or 8.27 kHz, CW, my guess is that the distance is less than 2 km. But it depends on the type of the RX antenna (E or H field).

73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 25.06.2014 18:47, schrieb mbdittmar@comcast.net:
Hi -

I've been following the discussion on 9 khz transmit antennas with some interest, as a friend of mine, Tom, KD0VBR, has done some preliminary experimentation in this area ( using large loading coils w/ vertical ).  Tom asked me to post a query regarding some antenna ideas he has, and it would be great to hear the group's thoughts on them and whether they might work or not.  73, Mark AB0CW

Below are his questions:


From: "Pouliot, Tom" <tomandmarti@hotmail.com>
To: "Dittmar, Mark" <mbdittmar@comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 8:51:48 AM
Subject: RE: LF: VLF in Canada - earth loop

Hi Mark,
That would be great if you could post some questions about transmitting loops for VLF.
Thinking about a square loop 200' per side 10' off the ground  #8 wire with 200 watts into the antenna. How far away could one expect to be able to detect a CW signal ? ( not QRSS)
Another possibility would be a triangular loop 200' per side with a 50' high apex.

Tom


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