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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Going east to west is much harder, maybe 20dB harder, thanks to anisotropy of ionospheric reflection which is very significant at VLF. Mike Smith near Lynchburg, VA, has an excellent E-field rx at a quiet location. I have hopes he will put up orthogonal loops. Mike uses the same VLF software as used here, [...] Content analysis details: (0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [217.72.171.49 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.7 SPF_NEUTRAL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (neutral) 0.0 NORMAL_HTTP_TO_IP URI: Uses a dotted-decimal IP address in URL X-Scan-Signature: e6de17d69e46ff4ea8db042ef2cd7e46 Subject: Re: VLF: W4DEX trans-Atlantic at 8971 Hz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, NORMAL_HTTP_TO_IP autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Going east to west is much harder, maybe 20dB harder, thanks to anisotropy of ionospheric reflection which is very significant at VLF. Mike Smith near Lynchburg, VA, has an excellent E-field rx at a quiet location. I have hopes he will put up orthogonal loops. Mike uses the same VLF software as used here, http://abelian.org/vlfrx-tools/ Mike's VLF receiver is streamed online, see vlf35 'Forest' at http://abelian.org/vlf and there is a temporary 8971.1 Hz spectrum updated every 30 mins at http://46.4.26.83/sp8971_vlf35.png Uwe DJ8WX made determined attempts earlier in the year to reach Lynchburg and I used every trick I could think of to search for his signal in Mike's data, but I think we were still a few dB under the noise. Stefan wrote: > PS: 8.97 (+-), that was the _right_ frequency range *thumbs up*! :-) Indeed, when operating at the limits of what is possible, the dB or so difference between 8970 and 8270 becomes very significant. The European restriction to sub 8.3kHz is presumably to avoid lightning detection networks. But these would surely be unaffected by these very weak amateur signals unless the tx was within a few km of a meteorological receiver. Perhaps with suitable representation from national amateur radio organisations, the situation could be re-considered. -- Paul Nicholson --