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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Joe VO1NA wrote: > Well done Markus and Paul. Thanks. I am enjoying this foray into FEC and learning something new. It is fun to push some boundaries. When I first picked up a VLF signal from Markus (Oct 2010) I would not have thought that a few years later we would be able to convey quite reliably a message of 100 bits in less than half the time that it took to average the spectrum in [...] Content analysis details: (0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [217.72.171.49 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.7 SPF_NEUTRAL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (neutral) X-Scan-Signature: 3b8620872b19e25fb6f4dfaf1256edc3 Subject: Re: VLF: Coherent BPSK at 8270 from DF6NM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Joe VO1NA wrote: > Well done Markus and Paul. Thanks. I am enjoying this foray into FEC and learning something new. It is fun to push some boundaries. When I first picked up a VLF signal from Markus (Oct 2010) I would not have thought that a few years later we would be able to convey quite reliably a message of 100 bits in less than half the time that it took to average the spectrum in http://abelian.org/vlf/df6nm/2010_10_09a.gif (DF6NM is the signal at 8970 - 0.002 Hz) A note from Markus suggested the bit clock on our last test was about a second late. I shifted the recording and got a better decode: Eb/N0 = -0.4 and rank 0 in the Viterbi list so list decoding once again not necessary. Seems we can afford to widen the channel further and try for more bits per hour. Turned attention last week to making stronger codes. Found a better way to construct low rate codes 1/(2n) from pairs of higher rate 1/n. I measure the distance spectra of high rate codes to identify weak (low weight) codewords then pair these with polynomials which compensate those with higher weight. I build 1/16 from 1/8 which in turn come from combining 1/4, etc. Much faster. Previously about 800 CPU hours produced one good 1/16 K=25 code with min distance 237. Now the same hours turns out nine at distance 237 and one at 238 which is the maximum possible for this rate and K. Hoping for an on-air VLF test of 1/16 K=25 soon. First have more trials to do. Use the best (d_min=238) code? Or use another which has not so good d_min but possibly performs better at very low S/N when using list decoding? Perhaps other stations will be encouraged to try sending coherent BPSK? At VLF this is easy to do. The challenge is not to make new distances but to see how much information you can get across per hour. -- Paul Nicholson --