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OK, that was highly enlightening :-) So then, is threre a way to express the not so irrelevant difference between A2A unkeyed carrier and A2A keyed carrier using the current abbreviation rules? :-) [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [213.250.81.202 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: 54f9a9b24d9d5f31a632377c3b90b222 Subject: Re: LF: 472 tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; DelSp=Yes X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi! OK, that was highly enlightening :-) So then, is threre a way to express the not so irrelevant difference between A2A unkeyed carrier and A2A keyed carrier using the current abbreviation rules? :-) Gruess Paul-Henrik, OH1LSQ way to convey the not so unrelevant information regarding keyed/unkeyed carrier Quoting Clemens Paul : >> Isn't the mode most NDB's use called A3A (tone modulation with >> continuous carrier). > > No. :-) > >> A2A indicates that the carrier is keyed together with the tone >> modulation so there is no continuous carrier for easy >> direction finding. > > No. :-) > > See > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_radio_emissions#Type_of_modulation > > for further detailed information. > > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of phl@netikka.fi >> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 6:33 PM >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: Re: LF: 472 tonight >> >> Hi! >> >> Isn't the mode most NDB's use called A3A (tone modulation with >> continuous carrier). >> >> A3J again is "voice AM", continuous carrier modulated by speech or >> similar non-digital information such as music. >> >> A2A indicates that the carrier is keyed together with the tone >> modulation so there is no continuous carrier for easy >> direction finding. >> >> >> >> Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm curious since have tried to figure out >> how the mode designations really work. >> >> >> >> BR >> >> Paul-Henrik, OH1LSQ >> >> >> Quoting Clemens Paul : >> >>>> A2A (or tone modulated AM) >>> >>> Just what most NDBs are using. >>> >>> 73 >>> Clemens >>> DL4RAJ >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 3:18 PM >>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> Subject: RE: LF: 472 tonight >>>> >>>> Hi Stefan, >>>> >>>> A2A (or tone modulated AM). >>>> >>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>> >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens DK7FC >>>> [73dk7fc@googlemail.com] >>>> Verzonden: donderdag 29 mei 2014 13:08 >>>> Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> Onderwerp: Re: LF: 472 tonight >>>> >>>> MCW ??? >>>> What is that? >>>> 73 >>>> >>>> Am 29.05.2014 12:07, schrieb John Rabson: >>>>> If you are going in for nostalgia, should you perhaps using >>>> MCW in that band? >>>>> >>>>> 73 >>>>> John F5VLF >>>>> >>>>> On 29 May 2014, at 12:00, C. Groeger wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Pete, >>>>>> Thanks for fine report! >>>>>> Here H bridge directly on mains and lw Ant 300 m long. >>>>>> >>>>>> Have some big GU81 tubes here and maybe you will hear them >>>> soon on MF :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> QRS is no problem, can use straight key if you want to join, Pete! >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, df5qg >>>>>> >>>>>> Christian Groeger >>>>>> >>>>>> M0FMT schrieb: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Stefan es Christian (DK7FC es DF5QG) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for a good evening lighting up 472. You were 599C >>>> Christian 599 at times never lost you once 10:15 to 11:10 PM >>>> UK time. CW too fast for me though not to mention the >> Deutsch... hee. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> RX here ts690s new antenna up 14m x 80m long sloper un-tuned. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Interesting signal from you. What was the sender? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73 es GL Pete M0FMT >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> >> >>