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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Markus; Consider it done. Tomorrow and maybe again Sunday if you had unusual noise tomorrow. Will be home in hour or so to get OPH2 underway for tonight-Bob From: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 22:44:47 +0100 Subject: Re: LF: New OPERA OP/OPDS 2H tonight on 27.945 Dial Freq... 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X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false --_4ceecc79-576f-4099-aac2-7d4e7d916f24_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Markus=3B Consider it done. Tomorrow and maybe again Sunday if you had unusual noise= tomorrow. =20 Will be home in hour or so to get OPH2 underway for tonight-Bob =20 From: markusvester@aol.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri=2C 7 Mar 2014 22:44:47 +0100 Subject: Re: LF: New OPERA OP/OPDS 2H tonight on 27.945 Dial Freq... =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Bob=2C =0A= =0A= how about a straight carrier on 29.499=2C from 14 to =0A= 16 UT? The narrow grabbers will be on even if I have to be away. =0A= Results may depend on the qrn situation here (aka Eu weather).=0A= =0A= 73=2C Markus=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= From: Bob Raide =0A= Sent: Friday=2C March 07=2C 2014 10:29 PM=0A= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A= =0A= Subject: RE: LF: New OPERA OP/OPDS 2H tonight on 27.945 Dial =0A= Freq...=0A= =0A= Markus=3B With you home [not at work] tomorrow lets =0A= try around that 1500. I left the signal on two nights ago till 1200 but = =0A= after 0800 signal was gone till 2400 next night. =20 What mode and what =0A= time you want signal? Bob =0A= =0A= =0A= From: markusvester@aol.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: =0A= Fri=2C 7 Mar 2014 21:45:19 +0100 Subject: Re: LF: New OPERA OP/OPDS 2H tonight =0A= on 27.945 Dial Freq... =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Jim=2C=0A= =0A= I would think that the main difference between =0A= Todmorden and Nuernberg is that I'm into the sunrise dip an hour earlier. A= nd my =0A= noise background is higher=2C so I tend to completely lose a weak signal wh= ich =0A= Paul would still receive well.=0A= =0A= Anyway looking at the attached NAA plot I'm sort of =0A= perplexed by the strong propagation during the day. If Bob decided to =0A= transmit sometime around 15 UT=2C there's a good chance we'd pick it =0A= up.=0A= =0A= Best 73=2C=0A= Markus (DF6NM)=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= From: hvanesce =0A= Sent: Friday=2C March 07=2C 2014 8:57 PM=0A= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A= =0A= Subject: RE: LF: New OPERA OP/OPDS 2H tonight on 27.945 Dial =0A= Freq...=0A= =0A= =0A= Bob =0A= and Markus=2C=0A= =0A= Thanks=2C =0A= this seems consistent with the shape of the late-night/early-morning amplit= ude =0A= characteristic in the LWPC simulation (for 43N=2C 75W to Todmorden) that Pa= ul sent =0A= to the group on March 1=2C 2014: a smooth=2C fast transition (and particula= rly with =0A= minimal multimode peak/null effects).=0A= =0A= It=92s =0A= interesting to note this characteristic (for this month=2C frequency and pa= th)=2C =0A= but more interesting to note consistency of Paul=92s LWPC result with last-= night=92s =0A= data.=0A= =0A= I =0A= don=92t think that the difference in paths from Bob=92s location to Todmord= en and to =0A= Markus=92 location should make much difference in the shape of the =0A= late-night/early-morning amplitude characteristic=2C but I could be =0A= wrong.=0A= =0A= In =0A= another example of rough agreement between VLF models and test results in t= his =0A= group=92s efforts (for roughly similar paths and times of year): the shape = and =0A= magnitude of the phase characteristic measured by Paul (for 43N=2C 75W to = =0A= Todmorden) overnight March 1st/2nd was consistent with a =0A= published model (Chilton 1964=2C based on empirical data) for a path of rou= ghly =0A= similar land distance and water distance. The diurnal phase characteristic = for =0A= paths of this length and orientation (43N=2C 75W to Todmorden) varies consi= derably =0A= month by month=2C so it was most interesting to see the close correspondenc= e =0A= between Paul=92s March 1st/2nd measurements and =0A= Chilton=92s 1964 results for a different but analogous transatlantic path i= n early =0A= March.=0A= =0A= 73=2C =0A= Jim AA5BW =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= From: =0A= owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.o= rg] =0A= On Behalf Of Bob Raide Sent: Friday=2C March 7=2C 2014 9:22 =0A= AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: New =0A= OPERA OP/OPDS 2H tonight on 27.945 Dial Freq...=0A= =0A= =0A= Markus=3B I closed at 0820 as I saw =0A= the signal went away at about 0700 on the Markus grabber. Had to be up =0A= early so couldn't stay on longer. Will stay on longer =0A= tonite-Bob =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= From: markusvester@aol.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: =0A= Fri=2C 7 Mar 2014 11:37:49 +0100 Subject: Re: LF: New OPERA OP/OPDS 2H tonight =0A= on 27.945 Dial Freq...=0A= =0A= Jim=2C=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= I dont really know =0A= when Bob switched off... On my grabber=2C the signal dropped sharply around= 6 =0A= UT=2C thus the correlation peak was probably based on the first half of =0A= the sequence which ended 6:52. But on Paul's spectrogram http://abelian.org= /vlf/sg29499.shtml the carrier stayed =0A= visible until after 8 UT.=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= 73=2C =0A= =0A= Markus =0A= (DF6NM)=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= From: hvanesce =0A= =0A= Sent: Friday=2C March 07=2C =0A= 2014 9:28 AM=0A= =0A= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A= =0A= =0A= Subject: RE: LF: New OPERA =0A= OP/OPDS 2H tonight on 27.945 Dial Freq...=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Markus=2C=0A= =0A= This =0A= is a welcome sight. Thanks to you and Bob. Was this detection made approxim= ately =0A= ten minutes before Bob switched off? =0A= =0A= 73=2C =0A= Jim AA5BW=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A= [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] =0A= On Behalf Of Markus Vester Sent: Friday=2C March 7=2C 2014 1:04 =0A= AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: =0A= Re: LF: New OPERA OP/OPDS 2H tonight on 27.945 Dial Freq...=0A= =0A= =0A= Just one detection =0A= here=2C but that makes it worth the effort:=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= 2014-03-07 06:52:02 =0A= WH1XBA 6448km 29499.000Hz 1mHz -52.9dBOp 100% =0A= 15.3dB=0A= =0A= =0A= Out of the last four =0A= nights=2C this was the one with the highest noise. The carrier was visible = =0A= since about 0:30=2C but the detection occured only in the morning when the = noise =0A= went down before the signal did. Unlike Paul in Todmorden=2C I don't have a= =0A= steerable pair of loops=2C so only the blanker to combat the statics.=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Bob=2C thanks for this =0A= signal!=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Best 73=2C=0A= =0A= Markus =0A= (DF6NM)=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= = --_4ceecc79-576f-4099-aac2-7d4e7d916f24_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Markus=3B
Consider it done.&n= bsp=3B Tomorrow and maybe again Sunday if you =3Bhad unusual noise tomo= rrow. =3B =3B
Will be home in hour or so =3B to get OPH2 un= derway for tonight-Bob
 =3B
From: ma= rkusvester@aol.com
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Fri=2C 7 Ma= r 2014 22:44:47 +0100
Subject: Re: LF: New OPERA OP/OPDS 2H tonight on 2= 7.945 Dial Freq...

=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A=
Bob=2C
=0A=
 =3B
=0A=
how about a straight carrier on 29.499= =2C from 14 to =0A= 16 UT? =3BThe narrow grabbers will be on even if I have =3Bto be aw= ay. =0A= Results may depend on =3Bthe qrn situation here (aka Eu weather).
=0A=
 =3B
=0A=
73=2C Markus
=0A=
=0A=

=0A=
=0A=
From: Bob Raide
=0A=
Sent: Friday=2C March 07=2C 2014 10:29 PM
=0A= =0A=
Subject: RE: LF: New OPERA OP/OPDS 2H tonight on 27.945 Dial = =0A= Freq...
=0A=

=0A=

 =3BMarkus=3B
With you home [not at work]= tomorrow lets =0A= try around that 1500. =3B I left the signal on two nights ago till 1200= but =0A= after 0800 signal was gone till 2400 next night. =3B
What mode and = what =0A= time you want signal? =3B Bob
=0A=
=0A=
=0A= From: markusvester@aol.com
T= o: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org
Date: =0A= Fri=2C 7 Mar 2014 21:45:19 +0100
Subject: Re: LF: New OPERA OP/OPDS 2H t= onight =0A= on 27.945 Dial Freq...

=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A=
Jim=2C
=0A=
 =3B
=0A=
I would think that the main difference= between =0A= Todmorden and Nuernberg is that I'm into the sunrise dip an hour earlier. A= nd my =0A= noise background is higher=2C so I tend to completely lose a weak signal wh= ich =0A= Paul =3Bwould still receive well.
=0A=
 =3B
=0A=
Anyway looking at the attached NAA plo= t I'm sort of =0A= perplexed by =3Bthe strong =3Bpropagation during the day. If Bob de= cided to =0A= transmit sometime around 15 UT=2C there's a good chance we'd pick =3Bit= =0A= up.
=0A=
 =3B
=0A=
Best 73=2C
=0A=
Markus (DF6NM)
=0A=
 =3B
=0A=
=0A=

=0A=
=0A=
From: hvanesce
=0A=
Sent: Friday=2C March 07=2C 2014 8:57 PM
=0A= =0A=
Subject: RE: LF: New OPERA OP/OPDS 2H tonight on 27.945 Dial = =0A= Freq...
=0A=

=0A=
=0A=

Bob =0A= and Markus=2C

=0A=

 =3B=0A=

Thanks=2C =0A= this seems consistent with the shape of the late-night/early-morning amplit= ude =0A= characteristic in the LWPC simulation (for 43N=2C 75W to Todmorden) that Pa= ul sent =0A= to the group on March 1=2C 2014: a smooth=2C fast transition (and particula= rly with =0A= minimal multimode peak/null effects).

=0A=

 =3B=0A=

It=92s =0A= interesting to note this characteristic (for this month=2C frequency and pa= th)=2C =0A= but more interesting to note consistency of Paul=92s LWPC result with last-= night=92s =0A= data.

=0A=

 =3B=0A=

I =0A= don=92t think that the difference in paths from Bob=92s location to Todmord= en and to =0A= Markus=92 location should make much difference in the shape of the =0A= late-night/early-morning amplitude characteristic=2C but I could be =0A= wrong.

=0A=

 =3B=0A=

In =0A= another example of rough agreement between VLF models and test results in t= his =0A= group=92s efforts (for roughly similar paths and times of year): the shape = and =0A= magnitude of the phase characteristic measured by Paul (for 43N=2C 75W to = =0A= Todmorden) overnight March 1st/2nd was consistent wit= h a =0A= published model (Chilton 1964=2C based on empirical data) for a path of rou= ghly =0A= similar land distance and water distance. The diurnal phase characteristic = for =0A= paths of this length and orientation (43N=2C 75W to Todmorden) varies consi= derably =0A= month by month=2C so it was most interesting to see the close correspondenc= e =0A=  =3Bbetween Paul=92s March 1st/2nd measurements a= nd =0A= Chilton=92s 1964 results for a different but analogous transatlantic path i= n early =0A= March.

=0A=

 =3B=0A=

73=2C =3B =0A= Jim AA5BW

=0A=

 =3B=0A=

 =3B=0A=

 =3B=0A=

 =3B=0A=

=0A=
=0A=

From: =0A= owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.o= rg] =0A= On Behalf Of Bob Raide
Sent: Friday=2C March 7=2C 2014 9:2= 2 =0A= AM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: RE: LF: Ne= w =0A= OPERA OP/OPDS 2H tonight on 27.945 Dial Freq...

=0A=

 =3B

=0A=
=0A=

Markus=3B
I closed at 0820 as I saw =0A= the signal went away at about 0700 on the Markus grabber. =3B Had to be= up =0A= early so couldn't stay on longer. =3B Will stay on longer =0A= tonite-Bob
 =3B

=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
=0A=

From: markusvester@aol.com
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: =0A= Fri=2C 7 Mar 2014 11:37:49 +0100
Subject: Re: LF: New OPERA OP/OPDS 2H t= onight =0A= on 27.945 Dial Freq...

=0A=
=0A=

Jim=2C

=0A=
=0A=

 =3B

=0A=
=0A=

I dont really know =0A= when Bob switched off... On my grabber=2C the =3Bsignal dropped sharply= around 6 =0A= UT=2C thus the =3Bcorrelation peak was probably based on =3Bthe fir= st half of =0A= the sequence which ended 6:52. But on Paul's spectrogram =3Bhttp= ://abelian.org/vlf/sg29499.shtml the carrier stayed =0A= visible until after 8 UT.

=0A=
=0A=

 =3B

=0A=
=0A=

73=2C

=0A=
=0A=

Markus =0A= (DF6NM)

=0A=
=0A=
=0A=

 =3B

=0A=
=0A=
=0A=

From: hvanesce

=0A=
=0A=

Sent: Friday=2C March 07=2C =0A= 2014 9:28 AM

=0A= =0A=
=0A=

Subject: RE: LF: New OPERA =0A= OP/OPDS 2H tonight on 27.945 Dial Freq...

=0A=
=0A=

 =3B

=0A=
=0A=

Markus=2C<= span style=3D'font-family: "Calibri"=2C"sans-serif"=3B'>

=0A=

 =3B

=0A=

This =0A= is a welcome sight. Thanks to you and Bob. Was this detection made approxim= ately =0A= ten minutes before Bob switched off?

=0A=

 =3B

=0A=

73=2C =0A= Jim AA5BW

=0A=

 =3B

=0A=
=0A=
=0A=

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A= [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf= _group@blacksheep.org] =0A= On Behalf Of Markus Vester
Sent: Friday=2C March 7=2C 2014= 1:04 =0A= AM
To: rsgb_lf_gr= oup@blacksheep.org
Subject: =0A= Re: LF: New OPERA OP/OPDS 2H tonight on 27.945 Dial Freq...

=0A=

 =3B

=0A=
=0A=

Just one detection =0A= here=2C but that makes it worth the effort:

=0A=
=0A=

 =3B

=0A=
=0A=

2014-03-07 06:52:02 =0A= WH1XBA =3B 6448km =3B 29499.000Hz =3B =3B 1mHz -52.9dBOp 10= 0% =0A= 15.3dB

=0A=

 =3B

=0A=
=0A=

Out of the last four =0A= nights=2C this was the =3Bone with the highest noise. The carrier was v= isible =0A= since about 0:30=2C but the detection occured only in the morning when the = noise =0A= went down before the signal did. Unlike Paul in Todmorden=2C I don't have a= =0A= steerable pair of loops=2C so only the blanker to combat the statics.

= =0A=
=0A=

 =3B

=0A=
=0A=

Bob=2C thanks for this =0A= signal!

=0A=
=0A=

 =3B

=0A=
=0A=

Best =3B73=2C

=0A=
=0A=

Markus =0A= (DF6NM)

=0A=
=0A=

 =3B

=0A=
=0A=

 =3B

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