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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi all, I want to share my recent results of experiments trying to arrange a wireless AF connection, which can be used for a VLF antenna or any other RF spectrum such as 630m and 2200m bands. The goal is always to decouple local QRM sources from a RX antenna installed in a quiet(er) location, to improve the RX capability of the amateur radio station in noisy environments. 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi all, I want to share my recent results of experiments trying to arrange a wireless AF connection, which can be used for a VLF antenna or any other RF spectrum such as 630m and 2200m bands. The goal is always to decouple local QRM sources from a RX antenna installed in a quiet(er) location, to improve the RX capability of the amateur radio station in noisy environments. It looks like there are some cheap and useful devices on the market, using bluetooth technique. Last night i did some first tests! First i simply wanted to transfer music from my smartphone to my netbook, using the bluetooth function (never used that before). This worked very well in the first attempt! There was no audible sound quality loss. The sound was played on the speaker of the netbook. But, more precise, it is not the speaker but the standard audio device! :-) That means, you can define virtual audio cable 1 as the standard output device! And here we are, we can feed the audio signal to SpecLab, without additional software except VAC which runs on many LF/MF/VLF PCs anyway. This allowed me to watch the spectrum and see if the signal is distorted or drifting or anything else. Again there was no audible and visible indication of a significant quality loss. Next i wanted to get an impression about the possible dynamic range of this wireless bridge. I uploaded a VLF recording (the original one from 4X1RF, including my 8970 Hz signal :-) ) as a wav file to the smartphone and played it via the bluetooth link. The signal level in this recording is quite low and depends on the volume setting of the smartphone. Here i saw that the background noise of the system, i.e. the dynamic range, is 120 dB, with some noise lines/peaks peaking to -100 dB. This looked very fine! Also the full 0...24 kHz spectrum was transferred via the bluetooth link and it was possible to lock SpecLab to DHO38 which was included in the recording! Next, this allowed me to watch the frequency drift of the system. Looks quite normal for a crystal, i.e. useful for our purposes. Now i want to try bluetooth for VLF and LF reception and i want to do some distance tests. 2 km distance, using a directional antenna, this would be very fine. At amazon, there are relatively cheap bluetooth transmitters with an external antenna, e.g. http://www.amazon.de/B-Speech-Stereo-Bluetooth-Receiver-Transmitter/dp/B00CB3KGYE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1394458092&sr=8-1&keywords=B-Speech+RTX1+Stereo+Bluetooth+Receiver+und+Transmitter These do even have an external antenna and will allow to use a high gain antenna for higher distances and help to avoid collisions with other signal sources. Since my netbook has an internal bluetooth adapter and since i now know that the received signal can be fed to SpecLab, it is worth to buy the transmitter and to do further tests. This one seems to be one of the stronger versions with 100 mW RF power. Hopefully the power consumption is acceptable... I will report about the progress... 73, Stefan/DK7FC