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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Here is the background noise diurnal for 2013 at 29.5kHz http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/29499_noise_2013.png The noise is averaged over a 500Hz band and converted to units of fT per root Hz. [...] Content analysis details: (0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [217.72.171.49 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.7 SPF_NEUTRAL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (neutral) X-Scan-Signature: 9ca91679b330d65f05d707c2d2b164fe Subject: Re: LF: Daytime 29.499 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Here is the background noise diurnal for 2013 at 29.5kHz http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/29499_noise_2013.png The noise is averaged over a 500Hz band and converted to units of fT per root Hz. The noise is before sferic blanking. Divide the noise amplitude by 10 to estimate the noise after blanking. Multiply the noise amplitude by the square root of your bandwidth to obtain your RMS noise floor. Or instead, divide the noise by the square root of your Fourier transform width in seconds. For example, from the plot the noise during the night in early March is in the purple but on poor nights has a hint of red. Lets say a bad night then is 15 fT/root(Hz). After blanking that would be 1.5 fT, and in a 600 second Fourier transform the floor would be 1.5/sqrt(600) = 0.06 fT in each Fourier bin. Compare that with the noise level between 19:00 and 21:00 in http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/29499_140307a.gif and we see the estimate from the noise map is in the right ballpark. Markus wrote (in a nearby thread): > saw practically nothing here on 29.499 last night. Signal level from Bob is lower. NAA maintains normal level. > are you continuously saving all raw data from your VLF loops? Only the lower 24 kHz of 3 channels (2xH + vertical E) are saved raw, spectrum data is saved for 0 to 96kHz. Storage of the timestamped flac-compressed data is not too onerous, at the last count it was heading for 18 Tbytes. Hard disks are big and cheap these days fortunately. Also reliable too, in the last 3 years I've only had one disk error (which was revealed by md5 checksum verification) which turned out to be a single bit flip in one byte of one file. I strongly recommend recording signals to disk and doing signal analysis by post-processing. Then you don't miss anything and you don't have to guess in advance the optimum antenna pointing, spectrogram settings, and so on. It is easy to keep a cache of 10 days or a month of signal. The fact is, almost always you get to hear about interesting things *after* they've happened, especially with natural radio events. You really are very limited and will miss a lot if you only work with real time signals. -- Paul Nicholson --