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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Bob, how about a straight carrier on 29.499, from 14 to 16 UT? The narrow grabbers will be on even if I have to be away. Results may depend on the qrn situation here (aka Eu weather). 73, Markus [...] Content analysis details: (1.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [64.12.222.129 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (markusvester[at]aol.com) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 1.0 FREEMAIL_REPLY From and body contain different freemails X-Scan-Signature: 3c99e58987956dda7dfc2912a97af3bf Subject: Re: LF: New OPERA OP/OPDS 2H tonight on 27.945 Dial Freq... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01CF3A56.D7D51C20" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CF3A56.D7D51C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bob,=20 how about a straight carrier on 29.499, from 14 to 16 UT? The narrow = grabbers will be on even if I have to be away. Results may depend on the = qrn situation here (aka Eu weather). 73, Markus From: Bob Raide=20 Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 10:29 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: RE: LF: New OPERA OP/OPDS 2H tonight on 27.945 Dial Freq... Markus; With you home [not at work] tomorrow lets try around that 1500. I left = the signal on two nights ago till 1200 but after 0800 signal was gone = till 2400 next night. =20 What mode and what time you want signal? Bob -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- From: markusvester@aol.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 21:45:19 +0100 Subject: Re: LF: New OPERA OP/OPDS 2H tonight on 27.945 Dial Freq... Jim, I would think that the main difference between Todmorden and Nuernberg = is that I'm into the sunrise dip an hour earlier. And my noise = background is higher, so I tend to completely lose a weak signal which = Paul would still receive well. Anyway looking at the attached NAA plot I'm sort of perplexed by the = strong propagation during the day. If Bob decided to transmit sometime = around 15 UT, there's a good chance we'd pick it up. Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) From: hvanesce=20 Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 8:57 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: RE: LF: New OPERA OP/OPDS 2H tonight on 27.945 Dial Freq... Bob and Markus, Thanks, this seems consistent with the shape of the = late-night/early-morning amplitude characteristic in the LWPC simulation = (for 43N, 75W to Todmorden) that Paul sent to the group on March 1, = 2014: a smooth, fast transition (and particularly with minimal multimode = peak/null effects). It=92s interesting to note this characteristic (for this month, = frequency and path), but more interesting to note consistency of = Paul=92s LWPC result with last-night=92s data. I don=92t think that the difference in paths from Bob=92s location to = Todmorden and to Markus=92 location should make much difference in the = shape of the late-night/early-morning amplitude characteristic, but I = could be wrong. In another example of rough agreement between VLF models and test = results in this group=92s efforts (for roughly similar paths and times = of year): the shape and magnitude of the phase characteristic measured = by Paul (for 43N, 75W to Todmorden) overnight March 1st/2nd was = consistent with a published model (Chilton 1964, based on empirical = data) for a path of roughly similar land distance and water distance. = The diurnal phase characteristic for paths of this length and = orientation (43N, 75W to Todmorden) varies considerably month by month, = so it was most interesting to see the close correspondence between = Paul=92s March 1st/2nd measurements and Chilton=92s 1964 results for a = different but analogous transatlantic path in early March. 73, Jim AA5BW=20 From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Bob Raide Sent: Friday, March 7, 2014 9:22 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: New OPERA OP/OPDS 2H tonight on 27.945 Dial Freq... Markus; I closed at 0820 as I saw the signal went away at about 0700 on the = Markus grabber. Had to be up early so couldn't stay on longer. Will = stay on longer tonite-Bob =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- From: markusvester@aol.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 11:37:49 +0100 Subject: Re: LF: New OPERA OP/OPDS 2H tonight on 27.945 Dial Freq... Jim, I dont really know when Bob switched off... On my grabber, the signal = dropped sharply around 6 UT, thus the correlation peak was probably = based on the first half of the sequence which ended 6:52. But on Paul's = spectrogram http://abelian.org/vlf/sg29499.shtml the carrier stayed = visible until after 8 UT. 73,=20 Markus (DF6NM) From: hvanesce=20 Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 9:28 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: RE: LF: New OPERA OP/OPDS 2H tonight on 27.945 Dial Freq... Markus, This is a welcome sight. Thanks to you and Bob. Was this detection made = approximately ten minutes before Bob switched off?=20 73, Jim AA5BW From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Markus Vester Sent: Friday, March 7, 2014 1:04 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: New OPERA OP/OPDS 2H tonight on 27.945 Dial Freq... Just one detection here, but that makes it worth the effort: 2014-03-07 06:52:02 WH1XBA 6448km 29499.000Hz 1mHz -52.9dBOp 100% = 15.3dB Out of the last four nights, this was the one with the highest noise. = The carrier was visible since about 0:30, but the detection occured only = in the morning when the noise went down before the signal did. Unlike = Paul in Todmorden, I don't have a steerable pair of loops, so only the = blanker to combat the statics. Bob, thanks for this signal! Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CF3A56.D7D51C20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bob,
 
how about a straight carrier on 29.499, = from 14 to=20 16 UT? The narrow grabbers will be on even if I have to be = away.=20 Results may depend on the qrn situation here (aka Eu = weather).
 
73, Markus

From: Bob Raide
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 10:29 PM
Subject: RE: LF: New OPERA OP/OPDS 2H tonight on 27.945 Dial = Freq...


 Markus;
With you home [not at work] = tomorrow lets=20 try around that 1500.  I left the signal on two nights ago till = 1200 but=20 after 0800 signal was gone till 2400 next night. 
What mode and = what=20 time you want signal?  Bob
From: markusvester@aol.com
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Date:=20 Fri, 7 Mar 2014 21:45:19 +0100
Subject: Re: LF: New OPERA OP/OPDS 2H = tonight=20 on 27.945 Dial Freq...

Jim,
 
I would think that the main difference = between=20 Todmorden and Nuernberg is that I'm into the sunrise dip an hour = earlier. And my=20 noise background is higher, so I tend to completely lose a weak signal = which=20 Paul would still receive well.
 
Anyway looking at the attached NAA plot = I'm sort of=20 perplexed by the strong propagation during the day. If Bob = decided to=20 transmit sometime around 15 UT, there's a good chance we'd pick it=20 up.
 
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)
 

From: hvanesce
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 8:57 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: RE: LF: New OPERA OP/OPDS 2H tonight on 27.945 Dial = Freq...

Bob=20 and Markus,

 

Thanks,=20 this seems consistent with the shape of the late-night/early-morning = amplitude=20 characteristic in the LWPC simulation (for 43N, 75W to Todmorden) that = Paul sent=20 to the group on March 1, 2014: a smooth, fast transition (and = particularly with=20 minimal multimode peak/null effects).

 

It=92s=20 interesting to note this characteristic (for this month, frequency and = path),=20 but more interesting to note consistency of Paul=92s LWPC result with = last-night=92s=20 data.

 

I=20 don=92t think that the difference in paths from Bob=92s location to = Todmorden and to=20 Markus=92 location should make much difference in the shape of the=20 late-night/early-morning amplitude characteristic, but I could be=20 wrong.

 

In=20 another example of rough agreement between VLF models and test results = in this=20 group=92s efforts (for roughly similar paths and times of year): the = shape and=20 magnitude of the phase characteristic measured by Paul (for 43N, 75W to=20 Todmorden) overnight March 1st/2nd was consistent = with a=20 published model (Chilton 1964, based on empirical data) for a path of = roughly=20 similar land distance and water distance. The diurnal phase = characteristic for=20 paths of this length and orientation (43N, 75W to Todmorden) varies = considerably=20 month by month, so it was most interesting to see the close = correspondence=20  between Paul=92s March 1st/2nd measurements = and=20 Chilton=92s 1964 results for a different but analogous transatlantic = path in early=20 March.

 

73, =20 Jim AA5BW

 

 

 

 

From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]=20 On Behalf Of Bob Raide
Sent: Friday, March 7, 2014 9:22 = AM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: RE: LF: = New=20 OPERA OP/OPDS 2H tonight on 27.945 Dial Freq...

 

Markus;
I closed at = 0820 as I saw=20 the signal went away at about 0700 on the Markus grabber.  Had to = be up=20 early so couldn't stay on longer.  Will stay on longer=20 tonite-Bob
 

From: markusvester@aol.com
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Date:=20 Fri, 7 Mar 2014 11:37:49 +0100
Subject: Re: LF: New OPERA OP/OPDS 2H = tonight=20 on 27.945 Dial Freq...

Jim,

 

I dont = really know=20 when Bob switched off... On my grabber, the signal dropped sharply = around 6=20 UT, thus the correlation peak was probably based on the first = half of=20 the sequence which ended 6:52. But on Paul's spectrogram http://abelian.org/vlf/sg29499.shtml the carrier = stayed=20 visible until after 8 UT.

 

73, =

Markus=20 (DF6NM)

 

From: hvanesce

Sent: Friday, = March 07,=20 2014 9:28 AM

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20

Subject: RE: LF: = New OPERA=20 OP/OPDS 2H tonight on 27.945 Dial Freq...

 

Markus,

 

This=20 is a welcome sight. Thanks to you and Bob. Was this detection made = approximately=20 ten minutes before Bob switched off?

 

73,=20 Jim AA5BW

 

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_g= roup@blacksheep.org]=20 On Behalf Of Markus Vester
Sent: Friday, March 7, 2014 = 1:04=20 AM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Subject:=20 Re: LF: New OPERA OP/OPDS 2H tonight on 27.945 Dial Freq...

 

Just one = detection=20 here, but that makes it worth the effort:

 

2014-03-07 = 06:52:02=20 WH1XBA  6448km  29499.000Hz   1mHz -52.9dBOp 100%=20 15.3dB

 

Out of the = last four=20 nights, this was the one with the highest noise. The carrier was = visible=20 since about 0:30, but the detection occured only in the morning when the = noise=20 went down before the signal did. Unlike Paul in Todmorden, I don't have = a=20 steerable pair of loops, so only the blanker to combat the = statics.

 

Bob, thanks = for this=20 signal!

 

Best 73,

Markus=20 (DF6NM)

 

 

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