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Content preview: "Antenna current is essentially constant during the transmission with negligible tuning adjustments" "Some little shift of phase and amplitude of the modes involved, altering the interference pattern" [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [76.96.30.17 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (hvanesce[at]comcast.net) -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: ac0f6ff1af52b6036ac1f4fe0c2bd52c Subject: RE: LF: Daytime 29.499 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=UP_TO_OR_MORES autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false "Antenna current is essentially constant during the transmission with negligible tuning adjustments" "Some little shift of phase and amplitude of the modes involved, altering the interference pattern" Yes Consistent also with Alan's message, I believe. 73, Jim AA5BW -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Paul Nicholson Sent: Sunday, March 9, 2014 6:04 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Daytime 29.499 kHz I'm pretty sure now this is a propagation change. Info from Bob via PM indicates that the antenna current is essentially constant during the transmission with negligible tuning adjustments. I can think of no environmental factors around the tx that would affect signal this much without affecting antenna current. I'm doubtful that freezing ground over the NY land portion of the path would have noticeable effect. Skin depth is substantial at these frequencies, tens of metres, maybe up to 100m or more, in dry rocky ground and down to 10 or fewer metres in soggy wet soil. This is the reflecting volume and a thin frozen layer at the surface isn't going to make much difference to it. That leaves propagation then. Some little shift of phase and amplitude of the modes involved, altering the interference pattern. We've seen on good nights, occasional dips of the signal which indicate some competition between modes during the night. The outcome of that competition will vary from one night to another. We'll just have to be patient, it'll come back again. There'll be times when WH2XBA/1 is coming in well and NAA is low. We could get a night that's really good. Carrier tonight until 04:00. Signal just now: 0.43 fT for 20 mins which is strongest I've seen from Bob. That'll make lines on spectrograms if it keeps up! -- Paul Nicholson --