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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Paul, With each piece of data (your NAA/WH2XBA 3-day amplitude below) this becomes more interesting. Summarizing some previous discussion and thoughts: NAA amplitude and phase are stable and repeatable night to night (amplitudes stable and repeatable within +/- 1dB across 3 nights). On two successive nights WH2XBA amplitudes are reduced and less stable (less stable even after normalizing amplitude stability for SNR), and are accompanied by premature, fast phase swings (2-hour transitions) of ~120 degrees. If I think of ionosphere, oscillator phase, long-path ground effects, antenna and weather, my thoughts are slightly biased toward antenna and perhaps some secondary weather/temperature effect on the antenna, as you and Bob had considered. 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Summarizing some previous discussion and thoughts: NAA amplitude and phase are stable and repeatable night to night (amplitudes stable and repeatable within +/- 1dB across 3 nights). On two successive nights WH2XBA amplitudes are reduced and less stable (less stable even after normalizing amplitude stability for SNR), and are accompanied by premature, fast phase swings (2-hour transitions) of ~120 degrees. If I think of ionosphere, oscillator phase, long-path ground effects, antenna and weather, my thoughts are slightly biased toward antenna and perhaps some secondary weather/temperature effect on the antenna, as you and Bob had considered. I'm glad that you noticed premature and fast 120 degree phase swings on successive nights, in contrast to stable phase on a (relatively) nearby path. That is intriguing on its own, especially in the absence of indicators in the Dst and other indices. Much appreciation to Bob, yourself and others for making these questions possible. 73, Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Paul Nicholson Sent: Sunday, March 9, 2014 12:44 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Daytime 29.499 kHz Jim wrote: > was the quick phase change of 120 degrees > corrected prior to integration? I'm plotting the signal in 20 minute integrations so there isn't much loss due to the phase change. We had about 120 deg phase change on the night of 6th/7th but it took 6 hours, not 2. Here I plot three nights of opera alongside NAA for comparison of amplitudes http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/29499_140309b.gif -- Paul Nicholson --