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Content preview: Wolf, Thank you, much appreciated! 73, Jim AA5BW [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [76.96.27.228 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (hvanesce[at]comcast.net) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.0 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 982d53dbb4bb82e9ed4f38562b2a1556 Subject: RE: LF: VLF weak signals and sferic blanking Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Wolf, Thank you, much appreciated! 73, Jim AA5BW -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of wolf_dl4yhf Sent: Monday, March 3, 2014 11:36 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: VLF weak signals and sferic blanking Hi Paul and all, Thanks for the notes about the importance of the impulsive noise blanker. Since there are still a few windows users on the group, here's how to activate the noise blanker in spectrum lab, assuming that one of the "very slow" morse modes has already been picked from the 'Quick Settings' menu: Select 'Components' / 'Circuit window', click on the 'DSP blackbox' between circuit nodes L4 and L5, select 'Noise blanker', make sure to connect the spectrum analyser to 'L5' (not 'L4', which would be "before" the noise blanker). The NB defaults should be a good starting point, but as Paul pointed out we may need more aggressive blanking. This is controlled by the "Trigger Peak/ Average" settings (10 dB by default, "the less, the more aggressive"). Details about the noiseblanker settings: http://www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/speclab/circuits.htm#noiseblanker To remove signals which may irritate the NB (like strong MSK transmitters or local QRM), the FFT-based filter can be switched into the signal path between 'L3' and 'L4'. For a quick start, begin with a simple bandpass, say 3 kHz bandwidth, centered around 29.5 kHz. Details about that filter: http://www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/speclab/filters.htm#fft_filter As soon as my work on the WSQ program has finished, I will make a configuration file which works "reasonably well" for this location, and post it on a website. But I think the settings used below 9 kHz will work reasonably well, but don't forget you need soundcard providing at least 96 kSamples/second (select that sampling rate for input in the audio settings). Good luck everyone, Wolf . Am 03.03.2014 18:54, schrieb Paul Nicholson: > > It is very important at VLF to use effective sferic blanking > when looking for weak amateur signals. There are 10 or 20 or > more sferics per second and the wanted signal will be lost in > the noise when the energy of all those sferics is distributed > across your Fourier bins. > > Let me illustrate with a plot. Here is a one hour spectrum > of Bob's signal with and without sferic blanking, > > http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/29499_140302n.gif > > As you can see, without the blanking even this strong signal > is completely buried by the noise. > > Effective blanking will discard between 25% and 35% of the > incoming signal but will boost the S/N ratio by 20dB or more. > > The blanking threshold must be set very low to achieve this, > roughly 1.2 to 1.5 times the mean level is the optimum. > The mean noise floor is conveniently tracked by an exponential > moving mean of the absolute signal value (I use time constant > of 1 second or so but longer is fine). > > Some important caveats: > > First, the input to the blanker must be free of MSK signals, hum > harmonics, and any other continuous signals when viewed in the > time domain. Two bad things happen otherwise: the blanker mean > level tracking will be foiled by the continuous signals, and > the chopping action of the blanker will spread the continuous > signals across the band to contribute to the noise floor. > > So, precede the blanker with a filter not wider than say 3 or > 4kHz and include notches for any significant mains harmonics > or MSK signals that remain within the passband. If you can > see them against the noise in the time domain then they need > to be notched out. > > Second - the blanker must see a clear sferic in order to work, > so the preceding filter should not be too narrow. 2kHz to 4kHz > is enough. 1.5 kHz is starting to get too narrow. The passband > doesn't have to be centered on the rx frequency, it can be > offset to avoid including some inconvenient continuous signal. > > While a bit of lightweight sferic blanking is a nicety at > higher frequencies, at VLF some serious blanking is essential > for detecting weak signals. Nearly every amateur signal I > receive is well beneath the un-blanked noise floor. > > -- > Paul Nicholson > -- > > >