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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Paul, Thank you, this is very helpful. I had not considered the interactions of the level tracker and the blanker with the strong continuous signals, and accordingly I've noticed wide variation in the performance of the sferic blanker. I had planned to head to a low-noise location this week in search of better SNRs, now can't wait to see how a well configured sferic blanker performs in the current location. 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I had not considered the interactions of the level tracker and the blanker with the strong continuous signals, and accordingly I've noticed wide variation in the performance of the sferic blanker. I had planned to head to a low-noise location this week in search of better SNRs, now can't wait to see how a well configured sferic blanker performs in the current location. 73, Jim AA5BW -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Paul Nicholson Sent: Monday, March 3, 2014 10:55 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: VLF weak signals and sferic blanking It is very important at VLF to use effective sferic blanking when looking for weak amateur signals. There are 10 or 20 or more sferics per second and the wanted signal will be lost in the noise when the energy of all those sferics is distributed across your Fourier bins. Let me illustrate with a plot. Here is a one hour spectrum of Bob's signal with and without sferic blanking, http://abelian.org/vlf/tmp/29499_140302n.gif As you can see, without the blanking even this strong signal is completely buried by the noise. Effective blanking will discard between 25% and 35% of the incoming signal but will boost the S/N ratio by 20dB or more. The blanking threshold must be set very low to achieve this, roughly 1.2 to 1.5 times the mean level is the optimum. The mean noise floor is conveniently tracked by an exponential moving mean of the absolute signal value (I use time constant of 1 second or so but longer is fine). Some important caveats: First, the input to the blanker must be free of MSK signals, hum harmonics, and any other continuous signals when viewed in the time domain. Two bad things happen otherwise: the blanker mean level tracking will be foiled by the continuous signals, and the chopping action of the blanker will spread the continuous signals across the band to contribute to the noise floor. So, precede the blanker with a filter not wider than say 3 or 4kHz and include notches for any significant mains harmonics or MSK signals that remain within the passband. If you can see them against the noise in the time domain then they need to be notched out. Second - the blanker must see a clear sferic in order to work, so the preceding filter should not be too narrow. 2kHz to 4kHz is enough. 1.5 kHz is starting to get too narrow. The passband doesn't have to be centered on the rx frequency, it can be offset to avoid including some inconvenient continuous signal. While a bit of lightweight sferic blanking is a nicety at higher frequencies, at VLF some serious blanking is essential for detecting weak signals. Nearly every amateur signal I receive is well beneath the un-blanked noise floor. -- Paul Nicholson --