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Subject: Re: LF: Fwd: Questions about 73kHz and sub 8.3kHz
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Warren,

I think it was Alan Melia who said =93When dealing with Authority, try =
to avoid asking a question to which you might not like the answer=94.

73 John

On 11 Feb 2014, at 15:29CET, Warren Ziegler <wd2xgj@gmail.com> wrote:

> John,
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>    Good background information. =20
> A few years ago someone on the U.S. longwave reflector decided that it =
was a good idea to pepper the FCC with very pointed and specific =
questions. I recall e-mailing Bill Ashlock (now s.k.) and saying =
something along the lines of "you can talk yourself out of all sorts of =
privileges", Bill printed that out and hung it on the wall of his radio =
shack!
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> 73 Warren
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> On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 9:09 AM, John Rabson <john.rabson07@gmail.com> =
wrote:
> My understanding is that, when dealing with Ofcom=92s predecessors, =
the RSGB sometimes found it useful not to ask outright for a specific =
facility, but rather to say =93If we were to ask you a question along =
the following lines =85... what might your answer be?=94.
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> This allowed the licensing authority to comment without having to say =
Yes or No. What they sometimes did was to say =93We would not be able to =
give you that, but if you were to ask for this ...=85 we might be able =
to do something for you=94.
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> Certainly, as has been pointed out in this and related conversations, =
there are some questions which the authorities would rather we did not =
ask =96 so long as we do not cause them difficulties.
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> John F5VLF/G3PAI
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> On 11 Feb 2014, at 14:49CET, Warren Ziegler <wd2xgj@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Roger,
> >      I am not sure of the relationship U.K. amateurs have with =
OFCOM, but I found that here in the U.S. it is better NOT to ask. If you =
ask a bureaucrat they will naturally fall into CYA mode and give you the =
most restrictive and conservative interpretation of the rules. Remember, =
it is easier to ask for forgiveness than it is to ask for permission!
> >
> > 73 Warren
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 6:00 AM, Roger Lapthorn =
<rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Still awaiting OFCOM responses after about 8 working days since =
first email sent.  Will post reply here, assuming they ever manage one. =
I am not hopeful.
> >
> > 73s
> > Roger G3XBM
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com>
> > Date: 10 February 2014 13:46
> > Subject: Questions about 73kHz and sub 8.3kHz
> > To: licensingcentre@ofcom.org.uk
> >
> >
> > Early last week I emailed OFCOM but I have still not received =
responses:
> >
> > My questions were:
> >
> > Am I correct in assuming that radio amateurs may legally experiment =
in the old 73kHz band as long as output power is less than 72dBuA/m at =
10m? This is the limit for licence-exempt inductive devices.
> >
> > Also, please can you confirm that no licence is needed to operate =
below 8.3kHz (assuming no harmful interference to services above =
8.3kHz). This part of the spectrum is unallocated.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Roger Lapthorn
> >
> > --
> > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/
> > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
> > https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/
> > http://qss2.blogspot.com/
> > http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > 73 Warren K2ORS
> >                 WD2XGJ
> >                 WD2XSH/23
> >                 WE2XEB/2
> >                 WE2XGR/1
> >
> >
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> 73 Warren K2ORS
>                 WD2XGJ=20
>                 WD2XSH/23
>                 WE2XEB/2
>                 WE2XGR/1
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