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Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 21:28:53 -0500
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From: Warren Ziegler <wd2xgj@gmail.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Subject: Re: LF: LF Activity - G3XIZ
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Hi Bob,
   Yes as you pointed out 500kHz is a whole different ball game!
73 Warren


On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 9:07 PM, Bob Raide <rjraide@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Warren;
> That's my point-Jay and I have done it several times on 500.  In fact, I
> worked Finbar CW/SSB one early evening!
> One would have to be more than just occasionally audible to make it-that
> is certainly true.  You or Joe would have the best chance being so close to
> the Atlantic-and then you got to be able to hear them to make it a QSO-Bob
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 20:55:30 -0500
> From: wd2xgj@gmail.com
>
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: Re: LF: LF Activity - G3XIZ
>
> Hi Bob,
>
> >I wonder if you or anyone has worked T/A with CW by ear on 137?
>
>    I don't think anyone has ever made a cw contact by ear across the
> Atlantic,  but I've gotten sporadic reports over the years that my signal
> is occasionally audible on a signal peak, but the peaks are not really
> predictable. Also, I don't have a quiet enough QTH to hear 137 kHz signals
> over that distance.  Best bet would be if Joe VO1NA ran some power - he has
> an easier and shorter path to Europe.
>
> 73 Warren
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 8:21 PM, Bob Raide <rjraide@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Stefan and Wolf;
> I think 600/630 meters will always be most popular.  You can operate with
> WSPR 2 with 100 watts into a 50' vertical and make it into Europe quite
> consistently.  Doesn't work that way for 137 and is even more difficult on
> 73.  When fellas start winding inductors they don't realize how much
> is needed to move resonance from 137 to 73.  Antenna only has so much
> capacity to ground and you have to make up getting to resonance with "L"
> [allot of "L"]!
> Many have fallen by the wayside when trying to get to 8600 kHz!  The poor
> soles wind a couple coils maybe a meter long by 6 or 7 inch diameter and
> think that will put them right on 8000 kHz easily!!!  Moves them maybe
> several kHz lower but they see they still have 100 or more kHz to go!
> 500 is just easier and isn't much different than 160.
> I wonder if you or anyone has worked T/A with CW by ear on 137?  Many of
> us have on 500 band-Bob
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 01:05:42 +0100
>
> From: schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: Re: LF: LF Activity - G3XIZ
>
> Hi Wolf,
>
> Ah, now i see, it was my misunderstanding, sorry.
>
> 73, Stefan/DK7FC
>
> Am 15.02.2014 21:43, schrieb wolf_dl4yhf:
>
> Am 15.02.2014 21:34, schrieb wolf_dl4yhf:
>
> Am 15.02.2014 21:18, schrieb schaefer:
>
> Hi Bob, Wolf, LF,
>
> Am 15.02.2014 20:46, schrieb wolf_dl4yhf:
>
> Hello Bob and all,
>
>
> It's much easier to put a good sigs out on 472 than 137 or 73.  Countless
> new modes to use and band conditions much more predictable on 600 meters.
>
>
> I agree as far as PEP-versus-ERP is concerned.
>
>
> Hah! Was that a joke?
>
>
> That wasn't a joke.
> That was a comparison of the efficiency of a LF antenna with an MF antenna.
>
> Please explain why you think this is a joke.
>
> Are you seriously saying that generating the same ERP on MF (now listen..)
> is EASIER THAN ON LF ?
>
> 73,
>   Wolf .
>
>  easier on MF than on LF of course !
>
>
>
>
> --
> 73 Warren K2ORS
>                 WD2XGJ
>                 WD2XSH/23
>                 WE2XEB/2
>                 WE2XGR/1
>
>
>


-- 
73 Warren K2ORS
                WD2XGJ
                WD2XSH/23
                WE2XEB/2
                WE2XGR/1

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Bob,<div>=A0 =A0Yes as you pointed out 500kHz is a whol=
e different ball game!</div><div>73 Warren</div><div><br></div></div><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Feb 15, 201=
4 at 9:07 PM, Bob Raide <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rjraide@hot=
mail.com" target=3D"_blank">rjraide@hotmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">


<div><div dir=3D"ltr">Warren;<br>That&#39;s my point-Jay and I have done it=
 several times on 500.=A0 In fact, I worked Finbar CW/SSB one early evening=
!=A0 <br>One would have to be more than just occasionally audible to make i=
t-that is certainly true.=A0 You or Joe would have the best chance being so=
 close to the Atlantic-and then you got to be able to hear them to make it =
a QSO-Bob<br>
=A0<br><div><hr>Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 20:55:30 -0500<br>From: <a href=3D"m=
ailto:wd2xgj@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">wd2xgj@gmail.com</a><div><div cla=
ss=3D"h5"><br>To: <a href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" target=3D=
"_blank">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: LF: LF Activity - G3XIZ<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Bob,<div><b=
r></div><div>&gt;<span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.7=
2px">I wonder if you or anyone has worked T/A with CW by ear on 137?</span>=
</div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.72px"><br>
</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.=
72px">=A0 =A0I don&#39;t think anyone has ever made a cw contact by ear acr=
oss the Atlantic, =A0but I&#39;ve gotten sporadic reports over the years th=
at my signal is occasionally audible on a signal peak, but the peaks are no=
t really predictable. Also, I don&#39;t have a quiet enough QTH to hear 137=
 kHz signals over that distance. =A0Best bet would be if Joe VO1NA ran some=
 power - he has an easier and shorter path to Europe.</span></div>

<div><span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.72px"><br></s=
pan></div><div><span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.72p=
x">73 Warren=A0</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-seri=
f;font-size:12.72px"><br>

</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.=
72px"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:12.72px"><br></span></div></div><div>
<br><br><div>On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 8:21 PM, Bob Raide <span dir=3D"ltr">&=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rjraide@hotmail.com" target=3D"_blank">rjraide@hotmail=
.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote style=3D"padding-left:1ex;border-=
left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">


<div><div dir=3D"ltr">Stefan and Wolf;<br>I think 600/630 meters will alway=
s be most popular.=A0 You can operate with WSPR 2 with 100=A0watts into a 5=
0&#39; vertical and make it into Europe quite consistently.=A0 Doesn&#39;t =
work that way for 137 and is even more difficult on 73.=A0 When fellas star=
t winding=A0inductors they don&#39;t realize how much is=A0needed to move r=
esonance from 137 to 73.=A0 Antenna only has so much capacity to ground and=
 you have to make up getting to resonance with &quot;L&quot; [allot of &quo=
t;L&quot;]!<br>

Many have fallen by the wayside when trying to get to 8600 kHz!=A0 The poor=
 soles wind a couple coils=A0maybe a meter long by 6 or 7 inch diameter and=
 think that will put them right on 8000 kHz easily!!!=A0 Moves them maybe s=
everal kHz lower but they see they still have 100=A0or more kHz to go!<br>

500 is just easier and isn&#39;t much different than 160.<br>I wonder if yo=
u or anyone has worked T/A with CW by ear on 137?=A0 Many of us have on 500=
 band-Bob<br>=A0<br><div><hr>Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 01:05:42 +0100<div>
<br>From: <a href=3D"mailto:schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de" target=3D"_blan=
k">schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de</a><br>To: <a href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_grou=
p@blacksheep.org" target=3D"_blank">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a><br>Sub=
ject: Re: LF: LF Activity - G3XIZ<br>

<br></div><div><div>


 =20


Hi Wolf, <br>
<br>
Ah, now i see, it was my misunderstanding, sorry.<br>
<br>
73, Stefan/DK7FC<br>
<br>
Am 15.02.2014 21:43, schrieb wolf_dl4yhf:
<blockquote>
 =20
  <div>Am 15.02.2014 21:34, schrieb wolf_dl4yhf:<br>
  </div>
  <blockquote>
   =20
    <div>Am 15.02.2014 21:18, schrieb schaefer:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote>
     =20
Hi Bob, Wolf, LF,<br>
      <br>
Am 15.02.2014 20:46, schrieb wolf_dl4yhf:
      <blockquote>
       =20
        <div>Hello Bob and all,<br>
        </div>
        <blockquote>
         =20
          <div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
It&#39;s much easier to put a=A0good sigs out on=A0472 than 137 or
73.=A0=A0Countless new modes to use and band conditions much more
predictable on 600 meters. <br>
          </div>
        </blockquote>
        <br>
I agree as far as PEP-versus-ERP is concerned.<br>
      </blockquote>
      <br>
Hah! Was that a joke? <br>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
That wasn&#39;t a joke. <br>
That was a comparison of the efficiency of a LF antenna with an MF
antenna.<br>
    <br>
Please explain why you think this is a joke.<br>
    <br>
Are you seriously saying that generating the same ERP on MF (now
listen..) is EASIER THAN ON LF ? <br>
    <br>
73,<br>
=A0 Wolf .<br>
    <br>
  </blockquote>
easier on MF than on LF of course !<br>
  <br>
</blockquote></div></div></div> 		 	   		  </div></div>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br>73 Warren K2=
ORS<br>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XGJ <br>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 WD2XSH/23<br>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XEB/2<br>=A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XGR/1<br><br>=A0
</div></div></div></div> 		 	   		  </div></div>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br>73 Warren K2=
ORS<br>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WD2XGJ <br>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 WD2XSH/23<br>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XEB/2<br>=A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 WE2XGR/1<br><br>=A0
</div>

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