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Subject: RE: LF: LF Activity - G3XIZ
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Stefan and Wolf=3B
I think 600/630 meters will always be most popular.  You can operate with W=
SPR 2 with 100 watts into a 50' vertical and make it into Europe quite cons=
istently.  Doesn't work that way for 137 and is even more difficult on 73. =
 When fellas start winding inductors they don't realize how much is needed =
to move resonance from 137 to 73.  Antenna only has so much capacity to gro=
und and you have to make up getting to resonance with "L" [allot of "L"]!
Many have fallen by the wayside when trying to get to 8600 kHz!  The poor s=
oles wind a couple coils maybe a meter long by 6 or 7 inch diameter and thi=
nk that will put them right on 8000 kHz easily!!!  Moves them maybe several=
 kHz lower but they see they still have 100 or more kHz to go!
500 is just easier and isn't much different than 160.
I wonder if you or anyone has worked T/A with CW by ear on 137?  Many of us=
 have on 500 band-Bob
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Date: Sun=2C 16 Feb 2014 01:05:42 +0100
From: schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: LF Activity - G3XIZ

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Am 15.02.2014 21:43=2C schrieb wolf_dl4yhf:=0A=
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        Hello Bob and all=2C
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It's much easier to put a good sigs out on 472 than 137 or=0A=
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I agree as far as PEP-versus-ERP is concerned.
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Hah! Was that a joke?=20
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That wasn't a joke.=20
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That was a comparison of the efficiency of a LF antenna with an MF=0A=
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Please explain why you think this is a joke.
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Are you seriously saying that generating the same ERP on MF (now=0A=
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easier on MF than on LF of course !
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<body class=3D'hmmessage'><div dir=3D'ltr'>Stefan and Wolf=3B<BR>I think 60=
0/630 meters will always be most popular.&nbsp=3B You can operate with WSPR=
 2 with 100&nbsp=3Bwatts into a 50' vertical and make it into Europe quite =
consistently.&nbsp=3B Doesn't work that way for 137 and is even more diffic=
ult on 73.&nbsp=3B When fellas start winding&nbsp=3Binductors they don't re=
alize how much is&nbsp=3Bneeded to move resonance from 137 to 73.&nbsp=3B A=
ntenna only has so much capacity to ground and you have to make up getting =
to resonance with "L" [allot of "L"]!<BR>Many have fallen by the wayside wh=
en trying to get to 8600 kHz!&nbsp=3B The poor soles wind a couple coils&nb=
sp=3Bmaybe a meter long by 6 or 7 inch diameter and think that will put the=
m right on 8000 kHz easily!!!&nbsp=3B Moves them maybe several kHz lower bu=
t they see they still have 100&nbsp=3Bor more kHz to go!<BR>500 is just eas=
ier and isn't much different than 160.<BR>I wonder if you or anyone has wor=
ked T/A with CW by ear on 137?&nbsp=3B Many of us have on 500 band-Bob<br>&=
nbsp=3B<BR><div><hr id=3D"stopSpelling">Date: Sun=2C 16 Feb 2014 01:05:42 +=
0100<br>From: schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de<br>To: rsgb_lf_group@blackshee=
p.org<br>Subject: Re: LF: LF Activity - G3XIZ<br><br>=0A=
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It's much easier to put a&nbsp=3Bgood sigs out on&nbsp=3B472 than 137 or=0A=
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I agree as far as PEP-versus-ERP is concerned.<br>=0A=
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Hah! Was that a joke? <br>=0A=
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That wasn't a joke. <br>=0A=
That was a comparison of the efficiency of a LF antenna with an MF=0A=
antenna.<br>=0A=
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Please explain why you think this is a joke.<br>=0A=
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Are you seriously saying that generating the same ERP on MF (now=0A=
listen..) is EASIER THAN ON LF ? <br>=0A=
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&nbsp=3B Wolf .<br>=0A=
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easier on MF than on LF of course !<br>=0A=
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