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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Warren; That's my point-Jay and I have done it several times on 500. In fact, I worked Finbar CW/SSB one early evening! One would have to be more than just occasionally audible to make it-that is certainly true. You or Joe would have the best chance being so close to the Atlantic-and then you got to be able to hear them to make it a QSO-Bob [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [65.55.116.48 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (rjraide[at]hotmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.7 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: c3a0d80882a29f438f57a981c7a65fcd Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_3c48057c-8a27-4ab8-a4df-aab6d3ec0fc9_" Subject: RE: LF: LF Activity - G3XIZ X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false --_3c48057c-8a27-4ab8-a4df-aab6d3ec0fc9_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Warren=3B That's my point-Jay and I have done it several times on 500. In fact=2C I = worked Finbar CW/SSB one early evening! =20 One would have to be more than just occasionally audible to make it-that is= certainly true. You or Joe would have the best chance being so close to t= he Atlantic-and then you got to be able to hear them to make it a QSO-Bob =20 Date: Sat=2C 15 Feb 2014 20:55:30 -0500 From: wd2xgj@gmail.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: LF Activity - G3XIZ Hi Bob=2C >I wonder if you or anyone has worked T/A with CW by ear on 137? =0A= I don't think anyone has ever made a cw contact by ear across the Atlant= ic=2C but I've gotten sporadic reports over the years that my signal is oc= casionally audible on a signal peak=2C but the peaks are not really predict= able. Also=2C I don't have a quiet enough QTH to hear 137 kHz signals over = that distance. Best bet would be if Joe VO1NA ran some power - he has an e= asier and shorter path to Europe.=0A= 73 Warren=20 =0A= =0A= On Sat=2C Feb 15=2C 2014 at 8:21 PM=2C Bob Raide wrot= e: =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Stefan and Wolf=3B I think 600/630 meters will always be most popular. You can operate with W= SPR 2 with 100 watts into a 50' vertical and make it into Europe quite cons= istently. Doesn't work that way for 137 and is even more difficult on 73. = When fellas start winding inductors they don't realize how much is needed = to move resonance from 137 to 73. Antenna only has so much capacity to gro= und and you have to make up getting to resonance with "L" [allot of "L"]! =0A= Many have fallen by the wayside when trying to get to 8600 kHz! The poor s= oles wind a couple coils maybe a meter long by 6 or 7 inch diameter and thi= nk that will put them right on 8000 kHz easily!!! Moves them maybe several= kHz lower but they see they still have 100 or more kHz to go! =0A= 500 is just easier and isn't much different than 160. I wonder if you or anyone has worked T/A with CW by ear on 137? Many of us= have on 500 band-Bob =20 Date: Sun=2C 16 Feb 2014 01:05:42 +0100=0A= From: schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: LF Activity - G3XIZ =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Hi Wolf=2C=20 =0A= =0A= Ah=2C now i see=2C it was my misunderstanding=2C sorry. =0A= =0A= 73=2C Stefan/DK7FC =0A= =0A= Am 15.02.2014 21:43=2C schrieb wolf_dl4yhf:=0A= =0A= =0A= Am 15.02.2014 21:34=2C schrieb wolf_dl4yhf: =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Am 15.02.2014 21:18=2C schrieb schaefer: =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Hi Bob=2C Wolf=2C LF=2C =0A= =20 =0A= Am 15.02.2014 20:46=2C schrieb wolf_dl4yhf:=0A= =0A= =0A= Hello Bob and all=2C =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =20 =0A= It's much easier to put a good sigs out on 472 than 137 or=0A= 73. Countless new modes to use and band conditions much more=0A= predictable on 600 meters.=20 =0A= =0A= =0A= =20 =0A= I agree as far as PEP-versus-ERP is concerned. =0A= =0A= =20 =0A= Hah! Was that a joke?=20 =0A= =0A= =20 =0A= That wasn't a joke.=20 =0A= That was a comparison of the efficiency of a LF antenna with an MF=0A= antenna. =0A= =20 =0A= Please explain why you think this is a joke. =0A= =20 =0A= Are you seriously saying that generating the same ERP on MF (now=0A= listen..) is EASIER THAN ON LF ?=20 =0A= =20 =0A= 73=2C =0A= Wolf . =0A= =20 =0A= =0A= easier on MF than on LF of course ! =0A= =20 =0A= =0A= --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ=20 WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 =0A= = --_3c48057c-8a27-4ab8-a4df-aab6d3ec0fc9_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Warren=3B
That's my point-Jay= and I have done it several times on 500. =3B In fact=2C I worked Finba= r CW/SSB one early evening! =3B
One would have to be more than just= occasionally audible to make it-that is certainly true. =3B You or Joe= would have the best chance being so close to the Atlantic-and then you got= to be able to hear them to make it a QSO-Bob
 =3B
Date: Sat=2C 15 Feb 2014 20:55:30 -0500
From: wd2xgj@gmai= l.com
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: LF Activity -= G3XIZ

Hi Bob=2C

>=3BI wonder if= you or anyone has worked T/A with CW by ear on 137?

=0A=
 =3B  =3BI don't think anyone has ever made a cw co= ntact by ear across the Atlantic=2C  =3Bbut I've gotten sporadic report= s over the years that my signal is occasionally audible on a signal peak=2C= but the peaks are not really predictable. Also=2C I don't have a quiet eno= ugh QTH to hear 137 kHz signals over that distance.  =3BBest bet would = be if Joe VO1NA ran some power - he has an easier and shorter path to Europ= e.
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73 Warren =3B

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On Sat=2C Feb 15=2C 2014 at 8:21 PM= =2C Bob Raide <=3Brjraide@hotmail.com>=3B wrote:
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Stefan and Wolf=3B
I think 600/630 meters will alw= ays be most popular. =3B You can operate with WSPR 2 with 100 =3Bwa= tts into a 50' vertical and make it into Europe quite consistently. =3B= Doesn't work that way for 137 and is even more difficult on 73. =3B Wh= en fellas start winding =3Binductors they don't realize how much is&nbs= p=3Bneeded to move resonance from 137 to 73. =3B Antenna only has so mu= ch capacity to ground and you have to make up getting to resonance with "L"= [allot of "L"]!
=0A= Many have fallen by the wayside when trying to get to 8600 kHz! =3B The= poor soles wind a couple coils =3Bmaybe a meter long by 6 or 7 inch di= ameter and think that will put them right on 8000 kHz easily!!! =3B Mov= es them maybe several kHz lower but they see they still have 100 =3Bor = more kHz to go!
=0A= 500 is just easier and isn't much different than 160.
I wonder if you or= anyone has worked T/A with CW by ear on 137? =3B Many of us have on 50= 0 band-Bob
 =3B
Date: Sun=2C 16 Feb 2014 01:05:42 +0100<= div>=0A=
From: schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sub= ject: Re: LF: LF Activity - G3XIZ
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=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Hi Wolf=2C
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=0A= Ah=2C now i see=2C it was my misunderstanding=2C sorry.
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=0A= 73=2C Stefan/DK7FC
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=0A= Am 15.02.2014 21:43=2C schrieb wolf_dl4yhf:=0A=
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Am 15.02.2014 21:34=2C schrieb wolf_dl4yhf:
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Am 15.02.2014 21:18=2C schrieb schaefer:
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=0A= =0A= Hi Bob=2C Wolf=2C LF=2C
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=0A= Am 15.02.2014 20:46=2C schrieb wolf_dl4yhf:=0A=
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Hello Bob and all=2C
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=0A= It's much easier to put a =3Bgood sigs out on =3B472 than 137 or=0A= 73. =3B =3BCountless new modes to use and band conditions much more= =0A= predictable on 600 meters.
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=0A= I agree as far as PEP-versus-ERP is concerned.
=0A=
=0A=
=0A= Hah! Was that a joke?
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=0A=
=0A= That wasn't a joke.
=0A= That was a comparison of the efficiency of a LF antenna with an MF=0A= antenna.
=0A=
=0A= Please explain why you think this is a joke.
=0A=
=0A= Are you seriously saying that generating the same ERP on MF (now=0A= listen..) is EASIER THAN ON LF ?
=0A=
=0A= 73=2C
=0A=  =3B Wolf .
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=0A= easier on MF than on LF of course !
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