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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Roger, I am curious what you will hear from them. 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For a coil (or loop antenna) the magnetic field at a certain distance along= the coil axis can be calculated as: B =3D (u0*N*a^2*I)/(2*(a^2+z^2)^1.5) where B =3D magnetic field (T) , uo =3D 4*Pi*10^-7 (vacuum permeability), N= =3D number of turn of the coil, a =3D coil radius (m), I =3D coil current = (A), z =3D distance from coil (m). See http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/curloo.html. The relationship between magnetic field (B in T) and magnetic field strengt= h (H in A/m) is B =3D u0*ur*H (for air the relative permeability ur =3D 1) So based the allowed magnetic field (strength) at a certain distance and co= il (loop antenna) dimensions the maximum current through the coil can be ca= lculated. And from the I and Rrad you can calcualte the allowed ERP. Limitation: for a large coil the maximum field stength at 10m distance (fro= m any point of the antenna) will not be along the coil axis. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________ Van: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk [rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk] name= ns Roger Lapthorn [rogerlapthorn@gmail.com] Verzonden: dinsdag 11 februari 2014 12:00 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk Onderwerp: [rsgb_lf_group] Fwd: Questions about 73kHz and sub 8.3kHz Still awaiting OFCOM responses after about 8 working days since first email= sent. Will post reply here, assuming they ever manage one. I am not hopef= ul. 73s Roger G3XBM ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Roger Lapthorn > Date: 10 February 2014 13:46 Subject: Questions about 73kHz and sub 8.3kHz To: licensingcentre@ofcom.org.uk Early last week I emailed OFCOM but I have still not received responses: My questions were: Am I correct in assuming that radio amateurs may legally experiment in the = old 73kHz band as long as output power is less than 72dBuA/m at 10m? This i= s the limit for licence-exempt inductive devices. Also, please can you confirm that no licence is needed to operate below 8.3= kHz (assuming no harmful interference to services above 8.3kHz). This part = of the spectrum is unallocated. Thanks [cid:BA22C08-CF10-491AA-84BE-C6B7536A45@MimeCtl] Roger Lapthorn -- http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk https://sites.google.com/site/sub9khz/ http://qss2.blogspot.com/ http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a new to= pic Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity: Visit Your Group [Yahoo! Groups] Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest = =95 Unsubscribe =95 Terms of Use . __,_._,___ --_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FCE56F4ICTSSMBX1lunaku_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: <33054D66A95B8548A4CF0FACFE0A00A6@luna.kuleuven.be> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Roger,

 

I am curious=  what you = will hear from<= a target=3D"_blank"> them.

 

For a coil (or lo= op antenna) the magnetic field at a = ;certain distance&nb= sp;along the coil&nb= sp;axis can be<= a target=3D"_blank"> calculated as:

B =3D (u0*N*a^2*I)/(2*(a^2+z^2)^1.5)

where B =3D magnetic field (T) , uo =3D 4*Pi*10^-7 (vacuu= m permeability), N =3D&nb= sp;number of turn of the coil= , a =3D coil radius (m), I =3D coil current (A), z =3D d= istance from co= il (m).

See http://hyperphysics= .phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/mag= netic/curloo.html.

The relationship between magnetic field (B in T) and = ;magnetic field strength= (H in A/m) is B =3D u0*ur*H (for air the relative permeability ur =3D 1)

So based the = ;allowed magnetic fi= eld (strength) at a certain distance and coil (loop antenna) dimensions the maximum c= urrent through the&n= bsp;coil can be= calculated.

And from the I and Rrad you can=  calcualte the allowed ERP.

Limitation: for a=  large coil the= maximum field stength at 10m distance (from any point of the antenna) will not be along the coil axis= .

 

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

 

Van: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk [rsgb= _lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk] namens Roger Lapthorn [rogerlapthorn@gmail.com= ]
Verzonden: dinsdag 11 februari 2014 12:00
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk Onderwerp: [rsgb_lf_group] Fwd: Questions about 73kHz and sub 8.3kHz=

 

Still awaiting OFCOM responses after about 8 working days since first = email sent.  Will post reply here, assuming they ever manage one. I am= not hopeful.

73s
Roger G3XBM



---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Roger Lapthorn &l= t;rogerlapthor= n@gmail.com>
Date: 10 February 2014 13:46
Subject: Questions about 73kHz and sub 8.3kHz
To: licen= singcentre@ofcom.org.uk


Early last week I emailed OFCOM but I have still not received re= sponses:

My questions were:

Am I correct in assuming that radio amateurs may legally experiment in= the old 73kHz band as long as output power is less than 72dBuA/m at 10m? T= his is the limit for licence-exempt inductive devices.

Also, please can you confirm that no licence is needed to operate b= elow 8.3kHz (assuming no harmful interference to services above 8.3kHz)= . This part of the spectrum is unallocated.

Thanks
Roger Lapthorn

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