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[195.171.43.25]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id n18si3755474wij.19.2014.02.15.06.47.00 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2014 06:47:00 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 195.171.43.25 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) client-ip=195.171.43.25; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 195.171.43.25 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) smtp.mail=owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1WEfrg-0003Pn-4E for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Feb 2014 14:05:08 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1WEfrf-0003Pe-H4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Feb 2014 14:05:07 +0000 Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-1.server.virginmedia.net ([80.0.253.65]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1WEfrd-000348-D8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 15 Feb 2014 14:05:06 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.3] ([86.11.222.118]) by know-smtprelay-1-imp with bizsmtp id Se541n01r2Zsi3201e54jx; Sat, 15 Feb 2014 14:05:04 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [86.11.222.118] X-Spam: 0 X-Authority: v=2.1 cv=WI/xXxcR c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=SuBfSidSudpnzoPf7Jvm+w==:117 a=SuBfSidSudpnzoPf7Jvm+w==:17 a=ZvOGKVEhcyQA:10 a=uObrxnre4hsA:10 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=pXLAY9ShxokA:10 a=It8fZvJMAAAA:8 a=RXec1khISsJBOV5yAc0A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 From: "Mike Dennison" To: "Markus Vester" Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 14:05:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Message-ID: <52FF7410.16470.B547C6@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: <3DBFF044623E43DC8F27C99972D8055B@Black> References: <3DBFF044623E43DC8F27C99972D8055B@Black> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Markus, The 'neo' format has been rolled out gradually and some of us have had it for a while. I found it difficut to adjust to, but all of the facilities are still there if you look. One problem I did find was that the newest version of Internet Explorer supported by Win XP was IE8 and that did not work well with 'neo'. Running Google Chrome on XP worked much better. [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.0.253.65 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Scan-Signature: c0336009bd9bab526ca27d297ea7579a Subject: LF: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Yahoo "neo" Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Markus, The 'neo' format has been rolled out gradually and some of us have had it for a while. I found it difficut to adjust to, but all of the facilities are still there if you look. One problem I did find was that the newest version of Internet Explorer supported by Win XP was IE8 and that did not work well with 'neo'. Running Google Chrome on XP worked much better. Mike, G3XDV > It looks like the web interface of the Yahoo rsgb_lf_group has finally > been "upgraded" to the "neo" format, like most other groups before. I > have to say I am not very happy about this. > > When we discussed migrating from Blacksheep to Yahoo a couple of years > ago, I was very much attracted by the fact that the web interface > offered a searchable archive of past messages. It found it very useful > to be able to access and link to older contributions, gradually > building up a knowledge base, which could be extremely valuable both > for newcomers and experienced experts. > > With "neo", even though it is still possible to access a known message > number, there no longer seems to be a function to search and browse > past messages effectively. By scrolling to the bottom of the current > messages page, older messages are being downloaded in groups of 30, > but even on a fast internet connection it just takes ages to go back > more than a couple of weeks. Using the "view" icon one can in > principle look at past months, but again a targetted search for > authors and contents is not doable. I didn't even manage generate a > list of my own messages. Last not least, the screen layout is slow and > overloaded with titlebars and sidebars, leaving little room for > content. Maybe I would need an even newer enhanced browser, or > download the latest flashplayer ad-serving gadgets? > > At this stage, I honestly do no longer see any reason to prefer the > Yahoo service from the venerable Blacksheep email group. What I would > really like to have is a simple archive, similar to eg. the time-nuts > group http://www.febo.com/pipermail/time-nuts - is this too much to > ask in today's world? > > Best 73, > Markus (DF6NM) >