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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Qrm wise its the same up here and about 4db worse than 8970during daytime from various local generators and fenceless dog fence qrm... Laurence KL7L > On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:56 PM, "Markus Vester" wrote: > > Hi Graham, > > not sure whether there is currently anything near "final" in that matter. It's more of an ad-hoc thing: a few of grabbers have been set around that frequency, and a couple of stations have made low-power transmissions. For me, 8270 is not really optimal because it's close to 8267.7 with a lot of 16.67 Hz related QRM, certainly worse than good old 8970 was. We'll also want to find out what sort of QRM future receivers eg in America will have to deal with. > > So my suggestion is yes, stay around there for the time being, but be prepared to move somewhere else if that will turn out better. It surely wouldn't be a good idea to ask José Ros to hardcode it into his software ;-) > > All the best, > Markus (DF6NM) > > > From: Graham > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 10:20 PM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: 8270 Final resting place ?? > > 8270 Final resting place ?? > > All - Is 8270Hz the final resting place for audio-band experiments ? , is this qrg suitable WW ? > > Tnx -Graham > G0NBD > [...] Content analysis details: (-0.6 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [65.55.116.49 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (hellozerohellozero[at]hotmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.6 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 1bc6486c2865e7dc2ff7578e6d7fc226 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail-B71FFD29-D0E4-4249-9D58-D02E902657D5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: LF: 8270 Final resting place ?? 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