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Content preview: Sorry, first email was corrupted because I had forgotten to fill in the subject line. 73, Markus -----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung----- Von: Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com> An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> Verschickt: Do, 2 Jan 2014 2:07 pm [...] Content analysis details: (-0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [64.12.143.86 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (markusvester[at]aol.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.5 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 46d617994b9fba079dc3ad7182acba54 Subject: VLF: 8.3 kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8D0D5D36240C70A_1E98_29249_webmail-d279.sysops.aol.com" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8D0D5D36240C70A_1E98_29249_webmail-d279.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Sorry, first email was corrupted because I had forgotten to fill in the sub= ject line. 73, Markus -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com> An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> Verschickt: Do, 2 Jan 2014 2:07 pm Dear Sub-9kHz'ers, =C2=A0 Marco DD7PC just made me aware of new German regulations, which also includ= es a change of the unallocated VLF range. The latest version of the "Freqen= zverordnung" (FreqV)=20 http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/bundesrecht/freqv/gesamt.pdf has become effective already on August 27, 2013, and includes an allocation= of 8.3 to 9 kHz to the passive weather observing service (ie. lightning lo= cator networks). Strictly speaking, this would make 8.97 kHz transmissions = illegal in Germany (although there may be a loophole with national footnote= 2 regarding "Induktionsfunkanlagen"). If I recall right, a similar legal c= hange in the UK had been announced in this group some time ago, leading to = the installation of some grabber windows around 8.27 kHz.=20 =C2=A0 In practice, radiated powers achievable by amateurs (milliwatts at best) ar= e ten orders of magnitudes below to that emitted by lightning events (100 m= egawatts). The chance of amateur interference to a broadband lightning loca= tor would thus be absolutely neglegible. Even if somebody happened to activ= ate his kite within one kilometer from a detector station, any further effe= ct of interference would still be suppressed by redundancy in the lightning= location network.=20 =C2=A0 Still, for publicly visible work (like claiming first contacts etc), we sho= uld consider moving below 8.3 kHz. Of course there are disadvantages, like - local interference eg. from railway lines seems to be much denser and str= onger at lower frequency,=20 - at same antenna voltage, radiated power will be 1.4 dB less, - more coil winding is required, - acoustical side-effect of transmitting may be more disturbing,=20 ... es nervt einfach!! =C2=A0 But then, one should always embrace change... positive aspects may be - lower QRN background in quiet locations, - with common international legislation, the necessity of sub-9kHz NOV's in= the UK might become obsolescent, - EA5HVK might be motivated to provide an Opera version with flexible frequ= ency assignment.=20 =C2=A0 In my location, I am mostly affected by 16.67 / 33.3 Hz modulated interfere= nce emitted by railway overhead lines, in addition to the usual 50 Hz relat= ed junk. To possibly identify a sweet spot with relatively low interference= , I have temporarily shifted the frequency range of my faster VLF grabber w= indows: http://df6nm.darc.de/vlf/vlfgrabber.htm Judging by the first hours, near 8280 Hz may be significantly better than 8= 270. But interference comes and goes with time, so longer observations are = needed. Note that the heavy interference between 11 and 12 UT could have be= en exacerbated by my noise blanker settings as it is much less severe in th= e wideband window. At this time, I would like to encourage other receiver o= perators to closely investigate their noise levels just below 8.3 kHz. =C2=A0 Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) =C2=A0 ----------MB_8D0D5D36240C70A_1E98_29249_webmail-d279.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
Sorry, fir= st email was corrupted because I had forgotten to fill in the subject line.= 73, Markus


-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Do, 2 Jan 2014 2:07 pm

Dear Sub-9kHz'ers,
 
Marco DD7P= C just made me aware of new German regulations, which also includes a chang= e of the unallocated VLF range. The latest version of the "Freqenzverordnun= g" (FreqV)
http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/bundesrecht/freqv/gesamt.= pdf
has become effective already on August 27, 2013, and includes an allocation= of 8.3 to 9 kHz to the passive weather observing service (ie. lightning lo= cator networks). Strictly speaking, this would make 8.97 kHz transmissions = illegal in Germany (although there may be a loophole with national footnote= 2 regarding "Induktionsfunkanlagen"). If I recall right, a similar legal c= hange in the UK had been announced in this group some time ago, leading to = the installation of some grabber windows around 8.27 kHz.
 
In practic= e, radiated powers achievable by amateurs (milliwatts at best) are ten orde= rs of magnitudes below to that emitted by lightning events (100 megawatts).= The chance of amateur interference to a broadband lightning locator would = thus be absolutely neglegible. Even if somebody happened to activate his ki= te within one kilometer from a detector station, any further effect of inte= rference would still be suppressed by redundancy in the lightning location = network.
 
Still, for= publicly visible work (like claiming first contacts etc), we should consid= er moving below 8.3 kHz. Of course there are disadvantages, like
- local interference eg. from railway lines seems to be much denser and str= onger at lower frequency,
- at same antenna voltage, radiated power will be 1.4 dB less,
- more coil winding is required,
- acoustical side-effect of transmitting may be more disturbing,
... es nervt einfach!!
 
But then, = one should always embrace change... positive aspects may be
- lower QRN background in quiet locations,
- with common international legislation, the necessity of sub-9kHz NOV's in= the UK might become obsolescent,
- EA5HVK might be motivated to provide an Opera version with flexible frequ= ency assignment.
 
In my loca= tion, I am mostly affected by 16.67 / 33.3 Hz modulated interference emitte= d by railway overhead lines, in addition to the usual 50 Hz related junk. T= o possibly identify a sweet spot with relatively low interference, I have t= emporarily shifted the frequency range of my faster VLF grabber windows: http://= df6nm.darc.de/vlf/vlfgrabber.htm
Judging by the first hours, near 8280 Hz may be significantly better than 8= 270. But interference comes and goes with time, so longer observations are = needed. Note that the heavy interference between 11 and 12 UT could have be= en exacerbated by my noise blanker settings as it is much less severe in th= e wideband window. At this time, I would like to encourage other receiver o= perators to closely investigate their noise levels just below 8.3 kHz.
 
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)

 
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