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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Marco, nice to hear/read from you. I cant see anything wrong in your settings. but "0,95mHz" seems to be vy wide. did you see my tranmissions on 8970Hz? could it be a QRM carrier? may we see a screenshot? I switch my transmission off now at 1618UTC. can you cnfm? GL Uwe/dj8wx Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Gesendet: 03.01.2014 14:58 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: Re: 8270Hz [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [194.25.41.13 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 7574eaf38ab90cf371fa9661dd9329b0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 8270Hz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----341BE9923026465B8484FD3587593CB9" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false ------341BE9923026465B8484FD3587593CB9 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Marco,=20 nice to hear/read from you=2E I cant see anything wrong in your settings=2E=20 but "0,95mHz" seems to be vy wide=2E did you see my tranmissions on 8970Hz? could it be a QRM carrier? may we see a screenshot? I switch my transmission off now at 1618UTC=2E can you cnfm? GL Uwe/dj8wx Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg Gesendet: 03=2E01=2E2014 14:58 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg Betreff: LF: Re: 8270Hz Hello Uwe,=20 just switched on since few minutes on this side, and probably made some= thing wrong=2E=2E=2E=20 Ant miniwhip like 10m from the roof (abr 45mabove ground)=20 RX SpecLab using configuration "8=2E97kHz 0,95 mHz 300s MSK locked" I m= oved to 8270 Hz changing the the "center frequency" to 8270Hz being no = able to QSY in other way (is that correct??)=20 The SR calbrator is moved to 19580Hz GBZ=2E=20 So this is the setup and see a signal just on 8270,0 Hz which is close = to 20dB over the noise=2E=2E=2E=2Eok this is the dreamer band but I can= 't believe I'm seeing your signal=2E=2E=2E=20 Can anybody give a suggestion?=20 73, Marco IK1HSS=A0 =20 ----- Original Message ----- =20 From: uwe-jannsen@kabelmail=2Ede =20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg =20 Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 1:30 PM=20 Subject: LF: 8270Hz=20 OK=2E OK=2E dreamers, the TX is on the air since 1309UTC=2E=20 QRG: 8270=2E000Hz=2E WX: continuous rain but not so strong=2E when ever the order comes, I can switch to Op-4H=2E GL Uwe/dj8wx Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg Gesendet: 03=2E01=2E2014 13:21 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg Kopie: paul@abelian=2Enetcom=2Eco=2Euk Betreff: Fw: VLF: 8=2E275 kHz Paul Nicholson put forth the important argument that we'd better stay a= way from 8280 because it's a multiple of 60 Hz=2E=A0Mains harmonics ten= d to drift a bit with the line frequeny so further away is better=2E =20 Thus I retract my preposition, and suggest instead to stay with the ori= ginal 8270 Hz=2E=20 Uwe, go ahead! =20 Best 73,=20 Markus=20 PS Direct harmonics from 16=2E67 Hz are relatively weak here, even thou= gh the railway is only 400 m away=2E It looks more=A0like=A0carriers fr= om=A0switchmode power conversion=A0units (eg near 8 kHz), accompanied=A0= by=A0the telltale 33 Hz spaced sidebands=2E Unfortunately these frequen= cies are not easily predictable=2E=20 From: Paul =20 Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 12:56 PM=20 To: Markus Vester =20 Subject: Re: VLF: 8=2E275 kHz =20 8970 is well placed with respect to harmonics of both 50 and 60Hz=2E 8270/8275 not so good in a 60Hz region=2E 8124 to 8126 would be a good range, considering harmonics of 16=2E67Hz, 50Hz, and 60Hz=2E Let me know what is decided, I will switch my spectrogram over to the new band=2E -- Paul Nicholson -- ------341BE9923026465B8484FD3587593CB9 Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Marco,
nice to hear/read from you=2E
I cant see anything wrong in your settings=2E
but "0,95mHz" seems to be vy wide=2E
did you see my tranmissions on 8970Hz?
could it be a QRM carrier?
may we see a screenshot?
I switch my transmission off now at 1618UTC=2E can you cnfm?
GL
Uwe/dj8wx
Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg
Gesendet: 03=2E01=2E2014 14:58
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg
Betreff: LF: Re: 8270Hz

Hello Uwe,
 =
just switched= on since few minutes on this side, and probably made something wrong=2E=2E=2E
Ant miniwhip = like 10m from the roof (abr 45mabove ground)
RX SpecLab us= ing configuration "8=2E97kHz 0,95 mHz 300s MSK locked" I moved to 8270 Hz changing the the "center frequency"= to 8270Hz being no able to QSY in other way (is that correct??)
The SR calbra= tor is moved to 19580Hz GBZ=2E
So this is th= e setup and see a signal just on 8270,0 Hz which is close to 20dB over the noise=2E=2E=2E=2Eok this is t= he dreamer band but I can't believe I'm seeing your signal=2E=2E=2E
Can anybody g= ive a suggestion?
 
73, Marco IK1= HSS 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January= 03, 2014 1:30 PM
Subject: LF: 8270Hz

OK=2E OK=2E dreamers, the TX is on the air since 1309UTC=2E
QRG: 8270=2E000Hz=2E
WX: continuous rain but not so strong=2E
when ever the order comes, I can switch to Op-4H=2E
GL
Uwe/dj8wx
Von: rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep=2Eorg
Gesendet: 03=2E01=2E2014 13:21
An: rsgb_lf_group@bla= cksheep=2Eorg
Kopie: paul@abelian=2Enetco= m=2Eco=2Euk
Betreff: Fw: VLF: 8=2E275 kHz

Paul Nicholso= n put forth the important argument that we'd better stay away from 8280 becau= se it's a multiple of 60 Hz=2E Mains harmonics tend to drift a bit with th= e line frequeny so further away is better=2E
 =
Thus I retrac= t my preposition, and suggest instead to stay with the original 8270 Hz=2E
 =
Uwe, go ahead!
 =
Best 73,
Markus=
 =
PS Direct har= monics from 16=2E67 Hz are relatively weak here, even though the railway is on= ly 400 m away=2E It looks more like carriers from switchmode powe= r conversion units (eg near 8 kHz), accompanied by the tel= ltale 33 Hz spaced sidebands=2E Unfortunately these frequencies are not easil= y predictable=2E
 

From: Paul
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: VLF: 8=2E275 kHz


8970 is well placed with respect to harmonics of
both 50 and 60Hz=2E

8270/8275 not so good in a 60Hz region=2E

8124 to 8126 would be a good range, considering
harmonics of 16=2E67Hz, 50Hz, and 60Hz=2E

Let me know what is decided, I will switch my spectrogram
over to the new band=2E

--
Paul Nicholson
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