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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Clemens, I can see all the solar modules on the neighbours roofs. That may be a reason for the QRM (?). I think if you can manage to create an earth system in http://no.nonsense.ee/qth/map.html?qth=JN68KJ79XH at the current feed point of the antenna and then use a coax cable and an isolation transformer or a separate primary winding on the variometer coil body then the QRM may be even lower than in the dipole configuration :-) [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.6 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 49f0f587e44d6711c57b8a4e950ba850 Subject: Re: LF: MW Antenna [was:RE: Clemens on MF!!] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi Clemens, I can see all the solar modules on the neighbours roofs. That may be a reason for the QRM (?). I think if you can manage to create an earth system in http://no.nonsense.ee/qth/map.html?qth=JN68KJ79XH at the current feed point of the antenna and then use a coax cable and an isolation transformer or a separate primary winding on the variometer coil body then the QRM may be even lower than in the dipole configuration :-) 73, Stefan Am 20.01.2014 21:45, schrieb Clemens Paul: > Hi Stefan, > > >> +6 dB, so now you're getting twice the antenna current with >> the same power? >> > No,only about 10% more (calculated) as the VSWR is a bit better. > R went from ~60 Ohm to 50 Ohm,reactance being cancelled out. > The increase in signal strength by 6dB comes from reduced ground losses due > to vertical polarization as opposed to horizontal polarization in dipole mode. > > >> Can you show us the image showing your house and the antenna again? I >> > Attached once more for convenience (see also link at the end). > Red traces = dipole legs (2x155m) > Yellow trace = open wire feeder (42m) > > >> remember there was a coax of some 10m between TX and dipole feed point >> > That must be someone different. -:) > Here the feeder runs directly into the shack,vertical part about 6m. > So in T-Antenna mode there's quite a bit of top load... > > Let's see how I can manage the earth problem. > I believe for reception I will further stay with the dipole mode because it's extremely > quiet ( -110dBm or true ~S3 in 200Hz BW) due to careful balancing and its remote > location from the houses. > When receiving I can afford up to 10-15dB signal loss on MW without > degrading SNR. > > http://no.nonsense.ee/qthmap/?qth=JN68KJ79WJ > > 73 > Clemens > DL4RAJ >