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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Markus and Henny; Thanks for all the good info. Will work on getting the right freq for best results. Just have to play with the Dial freq and everyone should be able to do that. Later-Bob From: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 15:17:22 +0100 Subject: Re: LF: 74614 12-13 [...] Content analysis details: (1.6 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [65.55.116.16 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (rjraide[at]hotmail.com) 1.6 SUBJ_ALL_CAPS Subject is all capitals -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.0 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: fefa6d96b1284f767a869566d1bc7791 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_031ad261-c0af-4835-be24-08110c082ab3_" Subject: RE: LF: 74614 12-13 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1379 --_031ad261-c0af-4835-be24-08110c082ab3_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Markus and Henny=3B Thanks for all the good info. Will work on getting the right freq for best= results. Just have to play with the Dial freq and everyone should be able= to do that. Later-Bob =20 From: cpm@planet.nl To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri=2C 13 Dec 2013 15:17:22 +0100 Subject: Re: LF: 74614 12-13 =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= ok Marcus=2CLF=2C=0A= Tu for the explanation=2Ci will keep the pc =0A= running=2C=0A= henny cpm=0A= 73=2C=0A= =0A= ----- Original Message ----- =0A= From: =0A= Markus =0A= Vester =0A= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A= =0A= Sent: Friday=2C December 13=2C 2013 12:20 =0A= PM=0A= Subject: Re: LF: 74614 12-13=0A= =20 =0A= Henny=2C=0A= =0A= thanks for this good capture=2C =0A= showing Bob's signal squeezed in between the QRM lines. It's a =0A= bit more difficult than Opera because WSPR-15 requires about 0.73 Hz =0A= clear bandwidth. We should also note that the "nominal WSPR =0A= frequency" seems to be not the center but the lowest of the four =0A= tones.=0A= =0A= Unfortunately I didn't get any decodes here. =0A= This is not really surprising=2C looking at the DCF77 noise patterns on m= y =0A= WSPR-X screen http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26404526/wsprx_74614Hz_1= 31213_0034.png =0A= which hardly changed during the course of the =0A= night.=0A= =0A= Probably my best bet would be to ask Bob to go to =0A= 74603.6 Hz. Then the tones would sit in a DCF minimum=2C =0A= =0A= and also be well above the nearest Loran line (74603.2804 Hz =0A= from Sylt)=2C thus should be pretty clear everywhere in Holland=2C the UK= =2C and =0A= Germany:=0A= http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26404526/74604Hz_131213_1100.png=0A= =0A= Best wishes=2C=0A= Markus (DF6NM)=0A= =0A= =20 =0A= =0A= From: henny =0A= Sent: Friday=2C December 13=2C 2013 9:37 AM=0A= To: blacksheep =0A= Subject: LF: 74614 12-13=0A= =20 =0A= Gm Bob=2CLF=0A= =0A= The capture=2C=0A= =0A= henny cpm=0A= 73=2C=0A= No virus found in this =0A= message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus =0A= Database: 3658/6915 - Release Date: 12/12/13No virus found in this messag= e. =0A= Checked by AVG - www.avg.com =0A= Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6915 - Release Date: 12/12/13 = = --_031ad261-c0af-4835-be24-08110c082ab3_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Markus and Henny=3B
Thanks fo= r all the good info. =3B Will work on getting the right freq for best r= esults. =3B Just have to play with the Dial freq and everyone should be= able to do that. Later-Bob
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Fro= m: cpm@planet.nl
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Fri=2C 13 Dec= 2013 15:17:22 +0100
Subject: Re: LF: 74614 12-13

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ok Marcus=2CLF=2C
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Tu for the explanation=2Ci will keep t= he pc =0A= running=2C
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henny cpm
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73=2C
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Henny=2C
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thanks for this =3Bgood capture= =2C =0A= showing =3BBob's signal squeezed =3Bin between the QRM lines.&nbs= p=3BIt's a =0A= bit more difficult =3Bthan Opera because WSPR-15 =3Brequires abou= t 0.73 Hz =0A= clear bandwidth. We should also note that the "nominal WSPR =0A= frequency" =3Bseems to be not =3Bthe center but the lowest of the= four =0A= tones.
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Unfortunately I didn't =3Bget an= y decodes here. =0A= This is not really surprising=2C looking at the DCF77 noise patterns on&n= bsp=3Bmy =0A= WSPR-X screen http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26404526/wsprx_746= 14Hz_131213_0034.png =3B
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which hardly changed during the cour= se of the =0A= night.
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Probably my best bet would be to ask= Bob to go to =0A= 74603.6 Hz. Then the tones would sit in a DCF minimum=2C= =0A= =0A= and =3Balso be well above the nearest Loran =3Bline =3B(74603= .2804 Hz =0A= from Sylt)=2C thus should be pretty clear everywhere in Holland=2C the UK= =2C and =0A= Germany:
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Best wishes=2C
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Markus (DF6NM)
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Gm Bob=2CLF
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henny cpm
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No virus found in this =0A= message.
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