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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hartmut says it's good at his location and am sure OK in UK,et. Lets do it! Please Make announcement and I will follow with an announcement to hopefully get everyone on line-Bob From: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 18:39:41 +0100 Subject: Re: LF: All 73 Banders-Markus... 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X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1473 --_39ad0186-d00c-4914-a065-f2bb69cac1c1_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hartmut says it's good at his location and am sure OK in UK=2Cet. Lets do it!=20 Please Make announcement and I will follow with an announcement to hopeful= ly get everyone on line-Bob =20 From: markusvester@aol.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat=2C 14 Dec 2013 18:39:41 +0100 Subject: Re: LF: All 73 Banders-Markus... =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Hi Bob=2C=0A= =0A= unfortunately 74612 won't =0A= work here=2C regarding DCF it's not better than 613 or 614. =0A= =0A= =0A= I'd vote for 74322 (72.7 kHz dial + 1622 Hz audio) =0A= for tonight=2C as it's =0A= - close to a minimum of DCF77=2C=0A= - between European Loran lines=2C as confirmed by =0A= calculations and Hartmut's observation=2C=0A= - far enough from CFH 73.6 kHz for American =0A= listeners=2C=0A= - only requires minor antenna / preselector =0A= retuning.=0A= =0A= Best =0A= 73=2C=0A= Markus=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= From: Bob Raide =0A= Sent: Saturday=2C December 14=2C 2013 6:14 PM=0A= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A= =0A= Subject: RE: LF: All 73 Banders-Markus...=0A= =0A= Markus=3B Seems as you get lower there is some junk =0A= that I don't know what creates it. I am surprised so many sigs and =0A= artifacts exist on these freqs. But can't go down near 73.6 of course with= =0A= that signal blasting in most nights at 30 over nine. I have allot of =0A= signal going west that would punch through allot of the junk as west coast= =0A= is lot closer than T/A stations. =20 I'll try 74.612 at Hartmut and =0A= Victor's request but if no good shoot me an e mail and can go up or down = =0A= several hz if we have to. Otherwise if 74.612 vicinity is not =0A= the best we can try your choice tomorrow if you like. I was wondering =0A= what it's like in Europe down at low end [68-70]? Wonder if it might be = =0A= harder to get sigs out as freq getting closer to VLF! If it's clear I =0A= would think it might be better even though lower by several percent. =0A= However=2C I will have to add "L" and retune things. Might take too much = =0A= time and just stay around 74.612 for tonight. Of course=2C 74.323.431 going to =0A= need to change dial freq. That would be hard in middle of evening's =0A= transmissions-really need better propagation to get my one watt sigs =0A= into Europe. Cold here [8-10 F] for tonight which will add to conductivity= =0A= and help with better start towards N Atlantic. Bob =20 =0A= =0A= =0A= From: markusvester@aol.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat=2C 14 =0A= Dec 2013 17:39:04 +0100 Subject: Re: LF: All 73 Banders... =0A= Thanks Hartmut=2C this is helpful! =0A= =0A= How about 74322 then? The next higher line on 74323.431 seems to be =0A= much weaker and will be far enough away.=0A= =0A= What's it like in America? =0A= =0A= 73=2C Markus=0A= =0A= =0A= 323.=0A= From: Hartmut Wolff =0A= Sent: Saturday=2C December 14=2C 2013 4:56 =0A= PM=0A= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A= Subject: Re: LF: All 73 =0A= Banders...=0A= =0A= Sorry=2C wrong link! This one is =0A= correct: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50178231/2013-12-14-1535_72700Hz%20dial= .jpg --=20 73 Hartmut Am 2013-12-14 16:49=2C schrieb =0A= Hartmut Wolff: Here is a screenshot how 72.7 dial here =0A= looks. =0A= http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26404526/Eu_Loran_frequencies_74300-7432= 5Hz.txt 74321 is better than 74304=2C but not optimal because the =0A= Loran line on 74320.3 is to close I =0A= think. = --_39ad0186-d00c-4914-a065-f2bb69cac1c1_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hartmut says it's good at his lo= cation and am sure OK in UK=2Cet.
Lets do it! =3B
 =3BPlease = Make announcement and I will follow with an announcement to hopefully get e= veryone on line-Bob
 =3B
From: marku= svester@aol.com
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Sat=2C 14 Dec = 2013 18:39:41 +0100
Subject: Re: LF: All 73 Banders-Markus...

=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A=
Hi Bob=2C
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unfortunately 74612 won't =0A= work =3Bhere=2C =3Bregarding DCF it's =3Bnot better than 613 or= 614. =0A=
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 =3B
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I'd vote for 74322 (72.7 kHz dial + 16= 22 Hz audio) =0A= for tonight=2C as it's =3B
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- =3Bclose to a minimum of DCF77= =2C
=0A=
- between European Loran lines=2C as c= onfirmed by =0A= calculations and Hartmut's observation=2C
=0A=
- far enough from CFH 73.6 kHz =3B= for American =0A= listeners=2C
=0A=
- only requires minor antenna / presel= ector =0A= retuning.
=0A=
 =3B
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Best =0A= 73=2C
=0A=
Markus
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From: Bob Raide
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Sent: Saturday=2C December 14=2C 2013 6:14 PM
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Subject: RE: LF: All 73 Banders-Markus...
=0A=

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Markus=3B
Seems as you get =3Blower =3B there i= s some junk =0A= that =3BI don't know what creates it. =3B I am surprised so many si= gs and =0A= artifacts exist on these freqs. =3B But can't go down near 73.6 of cour= se with =0A= that signal blasting in most nights at 30 over nine. =3B I have allot o= f =0A= signal =3B going west that would punch through allot of the junk as wes= t coast =0A= is lot closer than T/A stations. =3B
I'll try 74.612 =3Bat Hart= mut and =0A= Victor's request but if no good shoot me an e mail and can =3Bgo up or = down =0A= several hz =3Bif we have to. =3B Otherwise if 74.612 vicinity  = =3Bis not =0A= the best we can try your choice tomorrow if =3Byou like.
I was wonde= ring =0A= what it's like in Europe down at low end [68-70]? =3B Wonder if it migh= t be =0A= harder to get sigs out as freq getting closer to VLF! =3B If it's clear= I =0A= would think it might be better even though lower by several percent. = =3B =0A= However=2C I will have to add "L" and retune things. =3B Might take too= much =0A= time and just stay around 74.612 for tonight.
Of course=2C 74.323.431 go= ing to =0A= need to change dial freq. =3B That would be hard in middle of evening's= =0A= transmissions-really need better propagation to get my =3Bone watt = =3Bsigs =0A= into Europe. =3B Cold here [8-10 F] for tonight which will add to condu= ctivity =0A= and help with better start towards N Atlantic.
Bob
 =3B
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=0A=
=0A= From: markusvester@aol.com
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Sat= =2C 14 =0A= Dec 2013 17:39:04 +0100
Subject: Re: LF: All 73 Banders...

=0A=
Thanks Hartmut=2C this is helpful!
=0A=
 =3B
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How about 74322 then?= The =3Bnext =3Bhigher line&= nbsp=3Bon 74323.431 seems to be =0A= much weaker and will be far enough away.
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What's =3Bit like in America?
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73=2C Markus
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323.
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Sent: Saturday=2C Decembe= r 14=2C 2013 4:56 =0A= PM
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Subject: Re: LF: All 73 = =0A= Banders...
=0A=

=0A=
Sorry=2C wrong link! This one is =0A= correct:

https://dl.dropboxu= sercontent.com/u/50178231/2013-12-14-1535_72700Hz%20dial.jpg
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--
73
Hartmut

Am 2013-12-= 14 16:49=2C schrieb =0A= Hartmut Wolff:
Here is a screenshot how 72.7 dial here =0A= looks.
=0A=
http://dl.dropboxuserconte= nt.com/u/26404526/Eu_Loran_frequencies_74300-74325Hz.txt

74321 is better than 74304=2C but not optim= al because the =0A= Loran line on
74320.3 is to close I =0A= think.

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