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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Jay; I would like to try the DS OP on 500 for those tough ones [Greece, Russia, etc] where the only way to get to them is with what you call QRO with WSPR. Running more than a few hundred watts [20 w erp] causes trouble even at 35% on. I am sure OPDS would reach out and at same time get QRO out of the WSPR window-but only couple stations in Eastern Europe set-up for it and like you say are amongst us "real nuts" on 136 and down! Hopefully as time passes more realize OPDS DX potential and "bother" to implement it in RX-Bob [...] Content analysis details: (-0.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [65.55.116.15 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (rjraide[at]hotmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.5 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 46fde0e85bb17687e691200506d0382f Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_5a81abba-b749-4dfa-9581-9c02a1c9fc0f_" Subject: RE: LF: WSPR2 coast-to-coast X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1724 --_5a81abba-b749-4dfa-9581-9c02a1c9fc0f_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jay=3B I would like to try the DS OP on 500 for those tough ones [Greece=2C Russia= =2C etc] where the only way to get to them is with what you call QRO with W= SPR. Running more than a few hundred watts [20 w erp] causes trouble even = at 35% on. =20 I am sure OPDS would reach out and at same time get QRO out of the WSPR win= dow-but only couple stations in Eastern Europe set-up for it and like you s= ay are amongst us "real nuts" on 136 and down!=20 Hopefully as time passes more realize OPDS DX potential and "bother" to imp= lement it in RX-Bob=20 =20 =20 From: jrusgrove@comcast.net To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu=2C 19 Dec 2013 13:41:51 -0500 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR2 coast-to-coast =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Bob=0A= =0A= Your comment made me realize that I was =0A= running 50% duty cycle last night so there was the potential for nearly =0A= twice that many coast-to-coast receptions ... ha!=0A= =0A= AFAIK all the stations currently transmitting =0A= WSPR on 475 kHz in the US (7 or 8 last night) spend time in receive mode = =0A= uploading spots to the database. It appears there is no interest in 100% = =0A= duty cycle transmit ... probably because most of these =0A= stations regularly participate in CW QSOs ... and presumably =0A= have invested time and energy in getting their receiving setups to work =0A= well. Most stations are spread out far enough so don't think it's an =0A= interference issue.=0A= =0A= Think mostly the die hard=2C weakest-of-the-weak =0A= signal enthusiasts will be interested in OPDS due to the relative complexit= y of =0A= the setup ... making it better suited to 137 kHz and below where the real '= nuts' =0A= hang out. This is not to say that it couldn't be useful on 475 kHz probing = =0A= some distant propagation paths beyond the capability of 'normal' OP and =0A= WSPR.=0A= =0A= Jay =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= ----- Original Message ----- =0A= From: =0A= Bob Raide =0A= =0A= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A= =0A= Sent: Thursday=2C December 19=2C 2013 11:01 =0A= AM=0A= Subject: RE: LF: WSPR2 =0A= coast-to-coast=0A= =20 =0A= Jay=2C et all=3B I think if the "average Joe" on 500 would go =0A= through the trouble of adding "Deep Search" to any of the OPERA =0A= modes=2C lower power beyond that required by WSPR would be possible for = =0A= similar decoding. Another plus would be not having to limit numbers of = =0A= transmissions per hour because of the less likely RX overloading. =0A= But the "average Joe" isn't gonna go through the trouble of =0A= adding "DS" to OPERA=2C I would assume? Bob =20 =0A= > From: jrusgrove@comcast.net > To: =0A= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Thu=2C 19 Dec 2013 07:24:58 =0A= -0500 > Subject: LF: WSPR2 coast-to-coast >=20 > G > =0A= =20 > There were 31 WSPR2 'coast-to-coast' (west coast US and EU =0A= simultaneous receptions) on 475 kHz last=20 > night from WE2XGR/2 alone =0A= ... WE2XGR/2 > K7IUV and WE2XGR/2 > G3XKR. Apparently WSPR2 wins the =0A= =20 > 'coast-to-coast' competition on 475 kHz ... especially so when one =0A= considers WSPR2 is a two minute=20 > cycle time and OP's best time is 4 =0A= minutes. >=20 > And ... this was done with moderate transmit =0A= power. >=20 > Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 WG2XRS/2=20 >=20 > =0A= =20 = --_5a81abba-b749-4dfa-9581-9c02a1c9fc0f_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I would like to try&nb= sp=3Bthe DS OP on 500 for those tough ones [Greece=2C Russia=2C etc] where = the only way to get to them is with what you call QRO with WSPR. =3B Ru= nning more than a few hundred watts [20 w erp] causes trouble even at 35% o= n. =3B =3B
I am sure OPDS would reach out and at same time = =3Bget =3BQRO =3Bout of the WSPR window-but only couple stations in= Eastern Europe set-up for it and like you say are amongst us "real nuts" o= n 136 and down! =3B
Hopefully as time passes more realize OPDS DX po= tential and "bother" to implement it in RX-Bob =3B
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From: jrusgrove@comcast.net
To: rsgb= _lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Thu=2C 19 Dec 2013 13:41:51 -0500
Subj= ect: Re: LF: WSPR2 coast-to-coast

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Your comment made me =3Brealize th= at I was =0A= running 50% =3Bduty cycle last night so there was the potential for nea= rly =0A= twice that many coast-to-coast receptions ... ha!
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AFAIK all the stations =3Bcurrentl= y transmitting =0A= WSPR on =3B475 kHz in the US (7 or 8 last night) spend time in receive = mode =0A= uploading spots to the database. It appears there is no =3Binterest in = 100% =0A= duty cycle transmit ... =3Bprobably because most of these =0A= stations =3Bregularly participate in CW QSOs ... =3B and presumably= =0A= have =3Binvested time and energy in getting their receiving setups to w= ork =0A= well. Most stations are spread out far enough =3Bso don't think it's an= =0A= interference issue.
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Think mostly the die hard=2C weakest-o= f-the-weak =0A= signal enthusiasts will be interested in OPDS due to the relative complexit= y of =0A= the setup ... making it better suited to 137 kHz and below where the real '= nuts' =0A= hang out. This is not to say that it couldn't be useful on =3B475 kHz p= robing =0A= some =3Bdistant propagation paths beyond the capability of 'normal' OP = and =0A= WSPR.
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I think if the "average Joe" on 500 = would go =0A= through the trouble of adding "Deep Search" =3Bto any of the OPERA = =0A= modes=2C =3Blower power beyond that required by WSPR would be possibl= e for =0A= similar decoding. =3B Another plus would be not having to limit numbe= rs of =0A= transmissions per hour because of the less likely =3BRX overloading. = =0A=  =3BBut the "average Joe" isn't gonna go through the trouble of =0A= adding =3B"DS" to OPERA=2C I would assume? Bob
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>=3B From: jrusgrove@comcast.net
>=3B To: =0A= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>=3B Date: Thu=2C 19 Dec 2013 07:24:58 = =0A= -0500
>=3B Subject: LF: WSPR2 coast-to-coast
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>=3B There were 31 WSPR2 'coast-to-coast' (west coast US and EU =0A= simultaneous receptions) on 475 kHz last
>=3B night from WE2XGR/2 a= lone =0A= ... WE2XGR/2 >=3B K7IUV and WE2XGR/2 >=3B G3XKR. Apparently WSPR2 win= s the =0A=
>=3B 'coast-to-coast' competition on 475 kHz ... especially so when= one =0A= considers WSPR2 is a two minute
>=3B cycle time and OP's best time = is 4 =0A= minutes.
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>=3B And ... this was done with moderate transmi= t =0A= power.
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>=3B Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 WG2XRS/2
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