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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I have run both together. If OP alone don't make it after -40 the DS would. It simply works-your talking to me-a user of both time and time again. There are nights OPDS isn't needed and other times my signal ain't quit makin it. OPDS makes me look good those marginal nights! It's still OPERA but just "spruced up" a little-how bout that? 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If OP alone don't make it after -40 the DS would.= It simply works-your talking to me-a user of both time and time again. T= here are nights OPDS isn't needed and other times my signal ain't quit maki= n it. OPDS makes me look good those marginal nights! It's still OPERA but= just "spruced up" a little-how bout that? =20 From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri=2C 27 Dec 2013 22:03:32 +0000 Subject: Re: LF: RE: [O_P_E_R_A_] Opera upgrades for 2014 =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= That's two different shows=2C =0A= =0A= =0A= When it comes to the numbers then =0A= things can go wrong =2C the best way is to run =0A= the two up the strip together =2C=0A= =0A= The best way to detect a =0A= carrier =2C as Stefan will tell you is qrss as =0A= you can wind the time out as long as you like =2C =0A= then you =0A= need to be stable =2C each end etc =0A= =0A= =0A= G=2C =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= From: Bob Raide =0A= Sent: Friday=2C December 27=2C 2013 9:40 PM=0A= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A= =0A= Subject: RE: LF: RE: [O_P_E_R_A_] Opera upgrades for =0A= 2014=0A= =0A= G=3B Myself I don't care about source code=2C don't know what =0A= it is-don't want to know. It's your secret that's fine but if you can =0A= add something that under adverse conditions can make the difference in =0A= decode-correlation or whatever you want to call it=2C I want it. Save =0A= me from building a 10 times bigger transmitter=2C substantially lower anten= na =0A= voltages for the same decode-I want it! I guess it's an ego thing as =0A= someone else would get credit for your development of the basic =0A= working system. =20 =0A= =0A= =0A= From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri=2C =0A= 27 Dec 2013 21:23:01 +0000 Subject: Re: LF: RE: [O_P_E_R_A_] Opera upgrades =0A= for 2014 =0A= =0A= =0A= Its the old source code argument =0A= =0A= =0A= There are plenty of locked systems in =0A= use =2C source code comes under 'IP' Intellectual Property rights =2C =0A= there is no need to disclose as long as =0A= all can use the same =2C sure =0A= some would like to see 'how' but that's =0A= another angle =2C same with encryption=2C DSSS numeric based =0A= data modes like Olivia =2C chip64=2C contessa =2C ros hf as =0A= long as the software has the same keys =0A= then that meets the requirements =0A= =0A= The Opera decoder is a data =0A= decoder =2C Marcus is running correlation =2C pattern =0A= matching =2C two different things entirely =2C one has high =0A= equipment over heads =2C the other uses anti noise/ =0A= fec/afc software routines to negate hardware affects on system =0A= performance and counteract propagation conditions =2C Opera is a =0A= averaging system and requires for a decode =2C the =0A= average of the min s/n =2C from 50% of the =0A= data randomly dispersed along the time line =2C ie first =0A= 50 last 50 or any 50% =0A= =0A= G=2C =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= From: Bob Raide =0A= Sent: Friday=2C December 27=2C 2013 8:53 PM=0A= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A= =0A= Subject: RE: LF: RE: [O_P_E_R_A_] Opera upgrades for =0A= 2014=0A= =0A= What your saying is for those of us wanting to improve things =0A= go play with the other systems and leave OPERA just as it is? =0A= Bob =20 =0A= =0A= =0A= From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: =0A= Fri=2C 27 Dec 2013 20:39:58 +0000 Subject: Re: LF: RE: [O_P_E_R_A_] Opera =0A= upgrades for 2014 =0A= There are plenty of commercial data mode =0A= systems in use on the Ham bands that are =0A= locked and not publicised =2C from my experience =2C the =0A= locked systems seem to give a superior level of performance =0A= to the open code versions =2C pactor-4 =0A= being a good example =2C using modern ss techniques =0A= achieves high data/power ratio =2C but missing is =0A= the cdma layer that would enhance b/w user =0A= efficiency =2C but that exists in another locked data =0A= mode =2C which is free =0A= =0A= So where /what is the problem ?=0A= =0A= G=2C =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= From: wolf_dl4yhf =0A= Sent: Friday=2C December 27=2C 2013 7:41 PM=0A= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A= =0A= Subject: Re: LF: RE: [O_P_E_R_A_] Opera upgrades for =0A= 2014=0A= =0A= Thanks for forwarding the message Bob - so I won't =0A= spend any effort in implementing Opera myself if Markus's DS algorithm is r= eally =0A= embedded in the Ros-software. Despite the fact that I don't like=2C and will =0A= not use=2C the original Opera software myself as long as its author makes s= uch a =0A= secret of it=2C leaving it to others to reverse-engineer the =0A= algorithms. Cheers=2C Wolf . Am 27.12.2013 19:31=2C schrieb =0A= Bob Raide: =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Trevor and all=3B Especially #1!!! If that alone could =0A= be accomplished the rest later would do just fine. Bob=2C =0A= WG2XRS/4-4000 meters=2C WE2XEB-2200 meters=2C WE2XGR/6-630/600 =0A= meters-W2ZM... =20 =0A= =0A= =0A= To: O_P_E_R_A_@yahoogroups.com CC: =0A= tsmithers@cix.co.uk From: tsmithers@cix.co.uk Date: Fri=2C 27 Dec =0A= 2013 16:48:00 +0000 Subject: [O_P_E_R_A_] Opera upgrades for =0A= 2014 =0A= =0A= =0A= A few thoughts for Opera enhancements VLF to =0A= 160m (1) Deep Search Detector built in to existing Opera system with =0A= ability to run alongside existing=20 Op decoders and report directly to PSK =0A= reporter=20 (2) Reinstate the dual receive function without having to =0A= open multiple instances of the software. (3) Dynamically resizable =0A= screen or replace the dials with led bar type indicators - would make=20 the =0A= overall screen size a little smaller. (4) Option to "tear off" the =0A= waterfall to enable positioning on another part of the monitor screen - = =0A= =20 like wsprx for example. Trevor G0KTN =0A= __._=2C_.___=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Reply via web post =0A= Reply =0A= to sender =0A= Reply =0A= to group =0A= Start a New Topic =0A= Messages in this topic (1) =0A= Recent Activity: =0A= =0A= New Members 3 =0A= Visit Your Group =0A= =0A= Switch to: Text-Only=2C =0A= Daily =0A= Digest =95 Unsubscribe =0A= =95 Terms of =0A= Use =95 Send =0A= us Feedback =0A= =0A= =0A= .=20 =0A= __=2C_._=2C___=0A= =0A= =20 = --_9cdfc5f2-4fe9-49a6-ad8e-4dc4559db516_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have run both together. If OP = alone don't make it after -40 the DS would. =3B It simply works-your ta= lking to me-a user of both time and time again. =3B There are nights OP= DS isn't needed and other times =3Bmy signal ain't quit makin it. = =3B OPDS makes me look good those marginal nights! =3B It's still OPERA= but just "spruced up" a little-how bout that?
 =3B
From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org
Date: Fri=2C 27 Dec 2013 22:03:32 +0000
Subject: Re: LF: RE:= [O_P_E_R_A_] Opera upgrades for 2014

=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A=
That's =3B two different =3B shows=2C =0A=  =3B
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When it =3B comes to =3B the numbers = =3B then =3B =0A= things =3B can go =3B wrong =2C the =3B best =3B way = =3B is to =3B run =0A= the =3B two =3B up the =3B strip =3B together =2C=0A=
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The =3B best =3B way to =3B detect&nb= sp=3B a =3B =0A= carrier =3B=2C as Stefan will =3B tell =3B you  =3Bis qrss&= nbsp=3B =3B as =0A= you =3B can =3B wind the =3B time =3B out =3B as long a= s you like =2C =0A= then you
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need =3B to =3B be =3B stable =3B= =2C each end etc =0A=
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From: Bob Raide
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Sent: Friday=2C December 27=2C 2013 9:40 PM
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Subject: RE: LF: RE: [O_P_E_R_A_] Opera upgrades for =0A= 2014
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Myself I don't care about source code=2C don't kno= w what =0A= it =3Bis-don't want to know. =3B It's your secret that's fine but i= f you can =0A= add something that under adverse conditions can =3Bmake the difference = in =0A= decode-correlation or whatever you want to call it=2C =3BI want it.&nbs= p=3B Save =0A= me from building a 10 times bigger transmitter=2C substantially lower anten= na =0A= voltages for =3Bthe same decode-I want it! =3B I guess it's an ego = thing as =0A= someone else would get credit for your development of the =3Bbasic =0A= working =3B system.
 =3B
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=0A= From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: = Fri=2C =0A= 27 Dec 2013 21:23:01 +0000
Subject: Re: LF: RE: [O_P_E_R_A_] Opera upgra= des =0A= for 2014

=0A= =0A= =0A=
Its =3B the =3Bold source =3B code&nb= sp=3B argument =0A=
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There are plenty of =3B locked =3B system= s =3B in =0A= use =2C source code comes under =3B 'IP' =3BIntellectual Property r= ights =2C =0A= there is no =3B need =3B to =3B disclose =3B as =3B lon= g as =3B =0A= all =3B can =3B use =3B the =3B same =3B=2C sure = =3B =0A= some =3B =3Bwould =3B like to =3B see =3B 'how' =3B= but that's =0A= another angle  =3B=2C same =3B with =3B encryption=2C DSSS nume= ric =3Bbased =0A= data =3B modes like =3B Olivia =2C chip64=2C contessa =2C ros = =3Bhf  =3B as =0A= long =3B as =3B the =3B software =3B has the =3B same&n= bsp=3B keys =3B =0A= then that =3B meets the =3B requirements
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The Opera =3B decoder is =3B a =3B da= ta =3B =0A= decoder =2C =3B Marcus is =3B running =3B correlation =2C patte= rn =3B =0A= matching =2C two =3B different things entirely =2C one has high =3B= =0A= equipment =3B over heads =2C the =3B other =3B uses =3Banti= noise/ =0A= fec/afc =3B software routines to =3B negate =3Bhardware affects= on system =0A= performance and counteract propagation conditions =2C Opera =3B is a&nb= sp=3B =0A= averaging =3B system and =3B requires =3B for a decode =2C the&= nbsp=3B =0A= average =3B of =3B the =3B min s/n =3B =2C from 50% of the&= nbsp=3B =0A= data =3B randomly dispersed along the =3B time =3B line =2C ie = first =0A= 50 =3B last 50 =3B or =3B any 50%
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G=2C
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From: Bob Raide
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Sent: Friday=2C December 27=2C 2013 8:53 PM
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Subject: RE: LF: RE: [O_P_E_R_A_] Opera upgrades for =0A= 2014
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What your saying is =3Bfor those of us wanting to impr= ove things =0A= go play with the other systems and leave =3BOPERA just as it is? =0A= Bob
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=0A= From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk
To: rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org
Date: =0A= Fri=2C 27 Dec 2013 20:39:58 +0000
Subject: Re: LF: RE: [O_P_E_R_A_] Oper= a =0A= upgrades for 2014

=0A=
There =3B are plenty of =3B commercial =3B data =3B mo= de =3B =0A= systems =3B in use =3B on the =3B Ham bands =3B that = =3B are =0A= locked =3B and not =3B publicised =2C from =3B my experience = =2C the =3B =0A= locked systems seem to =3B give a =3B superior level =3B of per= formance =0A=  =3Bto the =3B open  =3B =3B =3Bcode =3B versions = =2C pactor-4 =3B =0A= being a =3B good =3B example =2C using =3B modern =3B ss te= chniques =3B =0A= achieves =3B high data/power =3B ratio =2C but =3B missing = =3B is =0A= the =3B cdma =3B layer that =3B would =3B enhance =3B b= /w =3B user =0A= efficiency =3B =3B=2C but =3B that =3B exists in another lo= cked data =3B =0A= mode =2C which is =3B free
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So =3B where /what =3B is the =3B problem ?
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Sent: Friday=2C December 27=2C 2013 7:41 PM
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Subject: Re: LF: RE: [O_P_E_R_A_] Opera upgrades for =0A= 2014
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Thanks for forwarding the message Bob - s= o I won't =0A= spend any effort in implementing Opera myself if Markus's DS algorithm is r= eally =0A= embedded in the Ros-software.
Despite the fact that I don't like=2C and = will =0A= not use=2C the original Opera software myself as long as its author makes s= uch a =0A= secret of it=2C leaving it to others to reverse-engineer the =0A= algorithms.

Cheers=2C
 =3B Wolf .

Am 27.12.2013 19:31= =2C schrieb =0A= Bob Raide:
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Trevor and all=3B
Especially #1!!! =3B If that al= one could =0A= be =3Baccomplished the rest later would do =3Bjust fine. Bob=2C = =0A= WG2XRS/4-4000 meters=2C WE2XEB-2200 meters=2C WE2XGR/6-630/600 =0A= meters-W2ZM...
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=0A= To: O_P_E_R_A_@yahoogroups.com
CC: =0A= tsmithers@cix.co.uk
From: tsmithers@cix.co.uk
Date: Fri= =2C 27 Dec =0A= 2013 16:48:00 +0000
Subject: [O_P_E_R_A_] Opera upgrades for =0A= 2014

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A few thoughts for Opera enhancements VLF to =0A= 160m

(1) Deep Search Detector built in to existing Opera system wi= th =0A= ability to run alongside existing
Op decoders and report directly to = PSK =0A= reporter

(2) Reinstate the dual receive function without having t= o =0A= open multiple instances of the software.

(3) Dynamically resizable= =0A= screen or replace the dials with led bar type indicators - would make the =0A= overall screen size a little smaller.

(4) Option to "tear off" the= =0A= waterfall to enable positioning on another part of the monitor screen - = =0A=
like wsprx for example.

Trevor G0KTN


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