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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Stefan, > Hi Wolf, > > What type of FETs are you using? The standard IRFPs? Many of them have > internal Z diodes, so no addional RC network or Z idode is needed. The > losses are there anyway, of course. > I'm using HUF 75343 P3 : 75 A, 55 V, 9 mOhm RDs on, and a hefty gate input capacitance. Just for historic reasons (on LF), and because I still have a tube with over a dozen of them. But the TC4452 has sufficient driving power to switch them rapidly enough, even at 470 kHz (and presumably more). [...] Content analysis details: (-0.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [195.4.92.92 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (dl4yhf[at]freenet.de) -0.4 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: 7001055fa59a9c23b9831ea6d317a074 Subject: Re: LF: MF PA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2427 Hi Stefan, > Hi Wolf, > > What type of FETs are you using? The standard IRFPs? Many of them have > internal Z diodes, so no addional RC network or Z idode is needed. The > losses are there anyway, of course. > I'm using HUF 75343 P3 : 75 A, 55 V, 9 mOhm RDs on, and a hefty gate input capacitance. Just for historic reasons (on LF), and because I still have a tube with over a dozen of them. But the TC4452 has sufficient driving power to switch them rapidly enough, even at 470 kHz (and presumably more). For the DC modulator (with 0.1 V ... 13 V output, depending on the PWM duty cycle), there is another HUF 75343, and one IRF 4905, working together as a complementary push-pull stage at 100 kHz with a PWM DC of "almost" zero (due to the limited speed of the comparator + driver) to 100 percent. After a simple choke, and a few microfarads (ceramic), this provides the 0... 13 Volts for the MF final stage. In case of mismatch or excessive drain current (actually measured as source current in the PA), the PWM DC is gradually reduced in a control loop... and the control loop design turned out quite tricky, because the loop gain depends on the load, and the loop has a dead time (due to the 100 kHz switching-mode modulator) which can cause the loop to oscillate under certain conditions. This is actually the reason why the PA is not "on air" yet... Cheers, Wolf .