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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Markus, Thanks for the ideas. Well, the PA needs and has a separate PTT input anyway, for flexibility reasons. 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Well, the PA needs and has a separate PTT input anyway, for flexibility reasons. So i may just use the VOX circuit. 73, Stefan Am 29.12.2013 11:33, schrieb Markus Vester: > Hi Stefan, > here's a quick sketch of how I would go about it. You wanted XORs so > here's one with XORs ;-) But in this circuit they serve basically only > as inverting or noninverting opamps, depending whether their other > input is connected to the (+) supply or (-) ground. > The top left part tries to pull the duty cycle close to 50%. The AC > voltage is reduced, and with the negative DC feedback the comparator > threshold settles to a point where the avaerage output is at half > supply voltage (eg 2.5V). BTW this is the opposite function to the > "duty cycle amplifier" which I use in my automatic LF variometer > df6nm.bplaced.net/LF/pictures/AutoTuner.zip > . > The output circuit is an inverter used for inverting one of the drives > ;-) The pair of XORs should equalize the gate delay. > The vox circuit at the bottom with the rectifier is straightforward, > including a bit of hysteresis introduced by positive feedback. > Best 73, > Markus (DF6NM) > --------------060605090703090500050404 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Markus,

Thanks for the ideas. Well, the PA needs and has a separate PTT input anyway, for flexibility reasons. So i may just use the VOX circuit.

73, Stefan

Am 29.12.2013 11:33, schrieb Markus Vester:
Hi Stefan,
 
here's a quick sketch of how I would go about it. You wanted XORs so here's one with XORs ;-) But in this circuit they serve basically only as inverting or noninverting opamps, depending whether their other input is connected to the (+) supply or (-) ground.
 
The top left part tries to pull the duty cycle close to 50%. The AC voltage is reduced, and with the negative DC feedback the comparator threshold settles to a point where the avaerage output is at half supply voltage (eg 2.5V). BTW this is the opposite function to the "duty cycle amplifier" which I use in my automatic LF variometer df6nm.bplaced.net/LF/pictures/AutoTuner.zip .
 
The output circuit is an inverter used for inverting one of the drives ;-) The pair of XORs should equalize the gate delay.
 
The vox circuit at the bottom with the rectifier is straightforward, including a bit of hysteresis introduced by positive feedback.   
 
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)

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