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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Bob, Of course, if the coil is protected against rain, then it is no problem. But the coil is quite large and due to the high voltage, the housing should ideally have a distance of 30cm or more to the coil. So the housing must be quite large, even more. And that makes it dangerous because of wind blasts on the to of the building in 35m AGL... Anyway it would be nice and i also thought about using a simple foil across the coil, without additional distance. However on LF, there are partial discharges on the top of the coil which burns holes into the protecting foil. And the VLF winding is 2000m long. It is a lot of effort to repair it after a short cut between some turns due to arcing. So it is a high risk. I think i will make a test in the near future and see if 9 kHz partial discharges are as agressive as 137 kHz partial discharges :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC [...] Content analysis details: (-1.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.6 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 0cdfd8d5ce44f1724c623c4ac9f44df6 Subject: Re: VLF: 8969.99 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000909030201010609040109" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3507 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000909030201010609040109 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Bob, Of course, if the coil is protected against rain, then it is no problem. But the coil is quite large and due to the high voltage, the housing should ideally have a distance of 30cm or more to the coil. So the housing must be quite large, even more. And that makes it dangerous because of wind blasts on the to of the building in 35m AGL... Anyway it would be nice and i also thought about using a simple foil across the coil, without additional distance. However on LF, there are partial discharges on the top of the coil which burns holes into the protecting foil. And the VLF winding is 2000m long. It is a lot of effort to repair it after a short cut between some turns due to arcing. So it is a high risk. I think i will make a test in the near future and see if 9 kHz partial discharges are as agressive as 137 kHz partial discharges :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC Am 26.12.2013 16:32, schrieb Bob Raide: > Stefan; > Even if you have your coils in weather proof housing rain is no good > to transmit on 9 kHz? Bob > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2013 13:55:11 +0100 > From: Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: VLF: 8969.99 > > Hi Uwe, Tom, VLF, > > Best signal ever from Tom, capture attached. Is it due to the > propagation or did it improve your signal? > What about some tests in OPDS32 or maybe JT9-30? Unfortunately there > is permanent rain here so i have to wait some days longer. > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC --------------000909030201010609040109 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Bob,

Of course, if the coil is protected against rain, then it is no problem. But the coil is quite large and due to the high voltage, the housing should ideally have a distance of 30cm or more to the coil. So the housing must be quite large, even more. And that makes it dangerous because of wind blasts on the to of the building in 35m AGL...
Anyway it would be nice and i also thought about using a simple foil across the coil, without additional distance.
However on LF, there are partial discharges on the top of the coil which burns holes into the protecting foil. And the VLF winding is 2000m long. It is a lot of effort to repair it after a short cut between some turns due to arcing. So it is a high risk.
I think i will make a test in the near future and see if 9 kHz partial discharges are as agressive as 137 kHz partial discharges :-)
73, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 26.12.2013 16:32, schrieb Bob Raide:
Stefan;
Even if you have your coils in weather proof housing rain is no good to transmit on 9 kHz? Bob
 

Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2013 13:55:11 +0100
From: Stefan.Schaefer@iup.uni-heidelberg.de
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: VLF: 8969.99

Hi Uwe, Tom, VLF,

Best signal ever from Tom, capture attached. Is it due to the propagation or did it improve your signal?
What about some tests in OPDS32 or maybe JT9-30? Unfortunately there is permanent rain here so i have to wait some days longer.

73, Stefan/DK7FC
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