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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Bob, Am 20.12.2013 20:00, schrieb Bob Raide: > Stefan; > As I said-band is fuller now than used to be! I used to run a KW > about 45 W ERP 100% time with WSPR2. It would make occasional SV8 > decodes along with almost all western Europeans. But since last year > have been told to cut back to 30% time on and still I heard > murmurs like "he already worked everybody 50 times over he needs > more"?!!! I would tell Jay and Jay told me keep operating but run > 25-30% time on-that that was fair. 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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020309090603090809080409" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2537 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020309090603090809080409 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Bob, Am 20.12.2013 20:00, schrieb Bob Raide: > Stefan; > As I said-band is fuller now than used to be! I used to run a KW > about 45 W ERP 100% time with WSPR2. It would make occasional SV8 > decodes along with almost all western Europeans. But since last year > have been told to cut back to 30% time on and still I heard > murmurs like "he already worked everybody 50 times over he needs > more"?!!! I would tell Jay and Jay told me keep operating but run > 25-30% time on-that that was fair. Yes, that OK i think. 100% is a bit hard :-) I did TX 100% with my indoor loop and 100 uW ERP but that is a different thing :-) > It's OK-I can understand that and yes am sure is same with you. You > operate 50% on WSPR and it is fortunate that the 50% falls always on > same quarter hour. Otherwise there is many nights no one else > on to give sigs for T/A. > I have to say, probably like you, worked most everything on 500 band > and if go there run at reduced time on or more to QRP. We have plenty > else going on [new LF-VLF-etc] so works out for everybody just fine-Bob RR. But even if you "worked" everybody 50 times, there will be a newcomer, somewhere, maybe with a poor RX antenna in the first stage and then this newcomer will be most grateful for your signal and he will be motivated to build a better RX antenna so that he can even receive the weaker stations. That's the thing! There are enough OMs who will listen on 630m with a short HF antenna for the first time. If there were no signals, they would say the band is dead, maybe. And there are several LF amateurs who do the effort to maximise their RX performance just to receive signals like yours, over several 1000km. 73, Stefan --------------020309090603090809080409 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Bob,

Am 20.12.2013 20:00, schrieb Bob Raide:
Stefan;
As I said-band is fuller now than used to be!  I used to run a KW about 45 W ERP 100% time with WSPR2.  It would make occasional SV8 decodes along with almost all western Europeans.  But since last year have been told to cut back to 30% time on and still I heard murmurs like "he already worked everybody 50 times over  he needs more"?!!!  I would tell Jay and Jay told me keep operating but run 25-30% time on-that that was fair. 
Yes, that OK i think. 100% is a bit hard :-) I did TX 100% with my indoor loop and 100 uW ERP but that is a different thing :-)

It's OK-I can understand that and yes am sure is same with you.  You operate 50% on WSPR and it is fortunate that the 50% falls always on same quarter hour.  Otherwise there is many nights no one else on to give sigs for T/A.
I have to say, probably like you, worked most everything on 500 band and if go there run at reduced time on or more to QRP.  We have plenty else going on [new LF-VLF-etc] so works out for everybody just fine-Bob
RR.
But even if you "worked" everybody 50 times, there will be a newcomer, somewhere, maybe with a poor RX antenna in the first stage and then this newcomer will be most grateful for your signal and he will be motivated to build a better RX antenna so that he can even receive the weaker stations. That's the thing!
There are enough OMs who will listen on 630m with a short HF antenna for the first time. If there were no signals, they would say the band is dead, maybe.
And there are several LF amateurs who do the effort to maximise their RX performance just to receive signals like yours, over several 1000km.

73, Stefan
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