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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Markus; Very tough to hit you solid. I think you are further east of the other stations that receive US stations. Also run into the loran artifacts as you get closer to them being in eastern Germany. To make matters worse, I am further west than the New England stations as I am only 70-80 miles from Ohio. I did some WSPR 2 on 474 last week and noticed on a couple nights that never got on the Continent only kept hitting the UK round after round. Appears like a curtain falls at a certain distance. Attenuation seems to increase rapidly after a certain distance-I tried WSPR 15 to see at what SNR was keeping me from being detected. Just appeared that no one on that mode that night. Will keep trying-thanks for 74 grabber-I could see traces at about 0200 and looked like it was going to become solid capture-73, Bob [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [65.55.116.45 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (rjraide[at]hotmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.0 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: bc223f74149f392a7d9f3881f05f1e70 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_effdd914-a49e-4059-91c2-0a1e6de2f6e6_" Subject: RE: LF: TA Nov 23/24 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1689 --_effdd914-a49e-4059-91c2-0a1e6de2f6e6_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Markus=3B Very tough to hit you solid. I think you are further east of the other sta= tions that receive US stations. Also run into the loran artifacts as you g= et closer to them being in eastern Germany. To make matters worse=2C I am = further west than the New England stations as I am only 70-80 miles from Oh= io. I did some WSPR 2 on 474 last week and noticed on a couple nights that neve= r got on the Continent only kept hitting the UK round after round. Appears= like a curtain falls at a certain distance. Attenuation seems to increase= rapidly after a certain distance-I tried WSPR 15 to see at what SNR was ke= eping me from being detected. Just appeared that no one on that mode that = night. =20 Will keep trying-thanks for 74 grabber-I could see traces at about 0200 and= looked like it was going to become solid capture-73=2C Bob =20 Date: Sun=2C 24 Nov 2013 09:47:44 -0500 From: wd2xgj@gmail.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: TA Nov 23/24 Markus=2C Thanks for the capture and thanks for listening!No=2C I did n= ot fire up again at 0500 - must be some other signal. 73 Warren K2ORS =0A= On Sun=2C Nov 24=2C 2013 at 4:02 AM=2C Markus Vester = wrote: =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Bob=2C =0A= looks like some dashes came through here around 3 =0A= UT=2C see 74 kHz grabber screenshots=2C or browse =0A= df6nm.bplaced.net/LF/74kHz/=0A= =0A= Warren=2C =0A= meager traces appeared on your QRG around 23:30. =0A= And then maybe for a short period after 5 UT - did you happen to =0A= restart the TX again later?=0A= http://www.df6nm.de/grabber/LF_lastnight.htm=0A= =0A= On the TA grabs there occured two periods of =0A= purple noise=2C 21:18 - 22:45 and 3:20 - 4:41. These are caused by =0A= increased data throughput on DCF39. The FSK bursts are very =0A= conspicuous on the DM4TR grabber=0A= dm4tr.bplaced.net =0A= which is located closer to DCF39. In the top panel=2C =0A= you can see that there would be useful spectral gaps around 137.765 kHz =0A= (about 10 Hz below the current TA slot)=2C and around 137.63 kHz (70 Hz bel= ow the =0A= QRSS-3 center). Note that the frequency scale in the second panel is =0A= currently incorrect. =0A= =0A= Best 73=2C=0A= Markus =0A= (DF6NM in JN59NJ)=0A= --=20 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ=20 WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 =0A= = --_effdd914-a49e-4059-91c2-0a1e6de2f6e6_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Markus=3B
Very tough to hit y= ou solid. =3B I think you are further =3Beast of the other stations= that receive US stations. =3B Also run into the loran artifacts as you= get closer to them being in eastern Germany. =3B To make matters worse= =2C I am further west than the New England stations as I am only 70-80 mile= s from Ohio.
I did some WSPR 2 on 474 last week and noticed on a couple = nights that never got on the =3BContinent only kept hitting the UK roun= d after round. =3B Appears like a curtain falls at a certain distance.&= nbsp=3B =3BAttenuation seems to increase rapidly after a certain = =3Bdistance-I tried WSPR 15 to =3Bsee =3Bat what =3BSNR was kee= ping me from being detected. =3B Just appeared that no one on that mode= that night. =3B =3B
Will keep trying-thanks =3Bfor 74 grabb= er-I could see traces at about 0200 and looked like it was going to become = solid capture-73=2C Bob
 =3B
Date: S= un=2C 24 Nov 2013 09:47:44 -0500
From: wd2xgj@gmail.com
To: rsgb_lf_g= roup@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: TA Nov 23/24

Markus=2C
 =3B  =3B  =3BThanks for the capture and thanks= for listening!
No=2C I did not fire up again at 0500 - must be s= ome other signal.

73 Warren K2ORS


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On Sun=2C Nov 24=2C 2013 at 4:02 AM= =2C Markus Vester <=3Bmarkusvester@aol.com>=3B wrote:
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Bob=2C
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looks like some dashes came through here around 3= =0A= UT=2C see 74 kHz grabber screenshots=2C or browse =3B
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Warren=2C
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meager traces appeared on your QRG around 23:30. = =0A= And then =3Bmaybe for a short period after =3B5 UT - did you happen= to =0A= restart the TX again later?
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On the TA grabs there occured =3Btwo periods = of =0A= purple noise=2C 21:18 - 22:45 and =3B3:20 - =3B4:41. These are = =3Bcaused by =0A= increased data throughput on DCF39. The =3BFSK bursts =3Bare very = =0A= conspicuous on the DM4TR grabber
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which is located closer to DCF39. In the top pane= l=2C =0A= you can see that there would be =3Buseful spectral gaps around 137.765 = kHz =0A= (about 10 Hz below the current TA slot)=2C and around 137.63 kHz (70 Hz bel= ow the =0A= QRSS-3 center). Note that the frequency scale in the second panel is =0A= currently =3Bincorrect. =3B
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Best 73=2C
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Markus
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(DF6NM in JN59NJ)
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 =3B  =3B  =3B  =3B  =3B &nbs= p=3B  =3B  =3B WE2XEB/2
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