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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: This sort of thing should be discussed with Markus. Interestingly, Markus's grabber showed next to nothing for capture. Henny in the pasted has had a superior signal while last night was rather lackluster. Hartmut is the farthest of all decoders [approx.-6350 KM] from me-his capture was the best for both Dex and me. Only thing I could add is that later in the morning the propagation lengthens out showing the further away sigs from Dex best later on. 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X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1606 --_a4377b88-9cf9-4bad-98df-3fbbf4259345_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This sort of thing should be discussed with Markus. Interestingly=2C Markus's grabber showed next to nothing for capture. Henn= y in the pasted has had a superior signal while last night was rather lackl= uster. Hartmut is the farthest of all decoders [approx.-6350 KM] from me-h= is capture was the best for both Dex and me. Only thing I could add is that later in the morning the propagation length= ens out showing the further away sigs from Dex best later on. Bob =20 From: hvanesce@comcast.net To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun=2C 3 Nov 2013 14:56:02 -0600 Subject: LF: RE: Hartmut's Grabber On Last Night... Bob=2C This is the third time that I=92ve noticed Dex=92s signal peaking su= bstantially (>15dB?) starting around 0500=2C at approximately the same time= that your signal begins a substantial fade. I=92ve seen this twice on capt= ures from Hartmut=92s grabber=2C and once on a capture from Mike=92s grabbe= r. An interesting example is 21 October 2013=2C when captures by Henny=2C = Mike and Hartmut all showed a fade of roughly 10-15dB in your signal from 0= 500-0530=2C with Mike=92s grabber (which showed Dex=92s signal clearly arou= nd that time) showing a rise in Dex=92s signal of roughly 10-15dB. I wond= er if this could be attributable to modal phase reinforcement/cancellation = near the terminator? The relative change between your signal and Dex=92s se= ems rather high for that mechanism=2C but I suppose not out of the question= . AGARD CP 305 includes a paper (Morfitt) with some interesting plots in th= is context=2C and a number of other papers with interesting propagation stu= dies at frequencies near 74kHz=3B is there a good place for me to post info= of this type? 73=2C Jim AA5BW From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [m= ailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Bob Raide Sent: Sunday=2C November 3=2C 2013 12:07 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Hartmut's Grabber On Last Night... Good shots of Me and Dex-Bo= b WG2XRS/4 NY [XRS4] and [XRS5]... = --_a4377b88-9cf9-4bad-98df-3fbbf4259345_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This sort of thing should be dis= cussed with Markus.
Interestingly=2C =3BMarkus's grabber showed next= to nothing for capture. =3B Henny in the pasted has had a superior sig= nal while last night was =3Brather lackluster. =3B Hartmut is the f= arthest of all decoders [approx.-6350 KM] from me-his capture was the best = for both Dex and me.
Only thing I could add is that later in the morning= the =3B propagation lengthens out showing the further away sigs from D= ex =3Bbest later on.
Bob
 =3B
From: hvanesce@comcast.net
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Su= n=2C 3 Nov 2013 14:56:02 -0600
Subject: LF: RE: Hartmut's Grabber On Las= t Night...

Bob=2C

 =3B

This is the third time that I=92ve noticed Dex= =92s signal peaking substantially (>=3B15dB?) starting around 0500=2C at = approximately the same time that your signal begins a substantial fade. I= =92ve seen this twice on captures from Hartmut=92s grabber=2C and once on a= capture from Mike=92s grabber.

 =3B

An interesting example is 21 October 2013=2C wh= en captures by Henny=2C Mike and Hartmut all showed a fade of roughly 10-15= dB in your signal from 0500-0530=2C with Mike=92s grabber (which showed Dex= =92s signal clearly around that time) showing a rise in Dex=92s signal of r= oughly 10-15dB.  =3B

 =3B

I wonder if this could be attributable to modal phase = reinforcement/cancellation near the terminator? The relative change between= your signal and Dex=92s seems rather high for that mechanism=2C but I supp= ose not out of the question. AGARD CP 305 includes a paper (Morfitt) with s= ome interesting plots in this context=2C and a number of other papers with = interesting propagation studies at frequencies near 74kHz=3B is there a goo= d place for me to post info of this type?

 =3B

73=2C

 =3B

Jim AA5BW

 =3B

From: owner-rsgb= _lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On = Behalf Of Bob Raide
Sent: Sunday=2C November 3=2C 2013 12:07 = PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Hartmu= t's Grabber On Last Night...

 =3B

Good shots of Me and Dex-Bob WG2XRS/4 NY [XRS4] = and [XRS5]...

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