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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi MF, I've played a bit arround with my 1m diameter loop (copper, 18mm diameter x 1mm). Last year i used it as a receive loop. Today i asked myselfe what distance could be made with such a loop when transmitting on MF WSPR, indoors! [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [129.206.210.211 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain X-Scan-Signature: c0336009bd9bab526ca27d297ea7579a Subject: LF: A /p 630m transmit loop (?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 325 Hi MF, I've played a bit arround with my 1m diameter loop (copper, 18mm diameter x 1mm). Last year i used it as a receive loop. Today i asked myselfe what distance could be made with such a loop when transmitting on MF WSPR, indoors! For LF i needed 501 nF to resonate it to 137 kHz and a ferrite core with the primary turn across the capacitor. Primary way 29 turns and secondary (matched to 50 Ohm!) was 10 turns. Now for MF i just need 40.5 nF to resonate it to 475.7 kHz and a ferrite transformer arround the copper tube (=1 turn primary) and 35 turns on the transmitter side to match it to about 50 Ohm. Photos: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19882028/MF/MF%20TX%20loop%20all.jpg and https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19882028/MF/MF%20TX%20loop%20zoom.jpg I thought this way (tube through the ferrite transformer, i.e. a single turn on one side) is better because here, when TXing, the voltage across the C will be very high and will be the limiting factor for the system. Later i found that it actually is the current which warms up the capacitors. The voltage in a steady state is just about 300 V rms. So the antenna current must be 36 A. In that case, the TX power is in the range of 30W, so it's quite QRP (for me) :-) Of course i do not expect much. Any detection in WSPR-2 outside the near field will make me happy for this test. So, while TXing WSPR-15 on LF here at work this night, i will carry the antenna and my small PA + equipment to my home QTH in JN49IJ, which is a distance of 0.95 km, even more than 1 Lambda ;-) Depending on the results i will TX through the night, beaming to NW/SE (G, PA) or WSW/NNE (F). Reports apprechiated! 73, Stefan/DK7FC PS: This is the fun of practical amateur radio work: I'm looking forward to the results and still don't know them. Some others would read some papers, calculate the ERP , estimate the distance and then go back to TV :-)