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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi All, A suggestion: battery operated tuning device at antenna end and "wireless" link back to shack. Wireless can operate at a non-interfering frequncy (HF/VHF/UHF/Optical). 73 [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [205.188.109.201 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (g4gvw[at]aol.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.0 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: e57013951ca4c86ddcf48e741efd2b78 Subject: Re: LF: remote antenna tuning Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010904010107080001070408" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3439 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010904010107080001070408 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, A suggestion: battery operated tuning device at antenna end and=20 "wireless" link back to shack. Wireless can operate at a non-interfering=20 frequncy (HF/VHF/UHF/Optical). 73 On 08/11/13 16:09, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > Hi Rik, > > Am 08.11.2013 16:06, schrieb Rik Strobbe: >> >> Hi Stefan, >> >> remote tuning of the loading should be done by optimizing SWR (at the=20 >> TX), not for maximum RF current. >> >> If one keeps that in mind there is no problem. >> > ...which is in agreement with what i said. > But once you have matched your antenna to 50 Ohm on resonance and you=20 > can only vary the reactive part of the antennas impedance (after doing=20 > QSY), then you will get the maximum antenna current at best SWR=20 > (assuming that Rrad+Rloss is constant which is not to far from reality)= . > >> I am not sure if I will keep the remote variometer=20 >> tuning. It needs some extra wires to the loading coil and=20 >> I am not sure how long the small DC motor will function properly with=20 >> all the rain and frost coming up. >> > Here it holds since more than 2 years for LF now.. > > 73, Stefan > --=20 73 de pat g4gvw es gd dx qth nr Felixstowe East Coast UK --------------010904010107080001070408 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Hi All,

A suggestion: battery operated tuning device at antenna end and "wireless" link back to shack. Wireless can operate at a non-interfering frequncy (HF/VHF/UHF/Optical).

73






On 08/11/13 16:09, Stefan Schäfer wrote:
Hi Rik,

Am 08.11.2013 16:06, schrieb Rik Strobbe:

Hi Stefan,

 

remote tuning of the loading should be done by optimizing SWR (at the TX), not for maximum RF current.

If one keeps that in mind there is no problem.

...which is in agreement with what i said.
But once you have matched your antenna to 50 Ohm on resonance and you can only vary the reactive part of the antennas impedance (after doing QSY), then you will get the maximum antenna current at best SWR (assuming that Rrad+Rloss is constant which is not to far from reality).

I am not sure if I will keep the remote variometer tuning. It needs some extra wires to the loading coil and I am not sure how long the small DC motor will function properly with all the rain and frost coming up.

Here it holds since more than 2 years for LF now..

73, Stefan



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