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[...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 46fde0e85bb17687e691200506d0382f Subject: Re: LF: New Version OPERA , with FADE graphical indication Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01CEBFBF.4ED406A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2467 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01CEBFBF.4ED406A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Grahan that would seem to follow the fade at 300mi is probably due to = groundwave. This is a lot weaker at 1000mi and the skywaves are = relatively stronger. The depth of the fade is a function of the strength = of the two paths whose relative phase is changing. If the amplitudes are = equal then there is a total "wipeout" ....I guess 10% fade says one path = is 20dB stronger than the other. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 10:04 PM Subject: Re: LF: New Version OPERA , with FADE graphical indication=20 Long range DX 1000 miles , has less Fade than short 330 miles = , ? IZ7SLZ de SWL-G6AVK (England): Op4 1078 mi F:10% -24 dB in Essex with = 50w + Inverted-L PA3ABK de SWL-G4WGT (England): Op4 331 mi F:21% -23 dB in Chorley, = IO83qo with 40w +=20 From: Graham=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 9:53 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: New Version OPERA , with FADE graphical indication=20 New data added to the web linked reports as well , this = showing 10% of the signal was 'not decoded' and at -24 dB would = support a ROS-MF-2=20 'rtty' qso =20 IZ7SLZ de SWL-G6AVK (England): Op4 1078 mi F:10% -24 dB in Essex with = 50w + Inverted-L G, From: Graham=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 7:50 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: New Version OPERA , with FADE graphical indication=20 New Version OPERA , with FADE / Time line recording=20 Latest version provides a graphical indication of the QSB/Fade on = the signal along the time line=20 with a % Fade indicated for each decode , all other functions = remain as previous issues =20 there is no change to the Tx format =20 There seems to be a problem using IE to download at the moment = , FireFox or Chrome are 'ok'=20 http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01CEBFBF.4ED406A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Grahan that would seem to follow the = fade at=20 300mi is probably due to groundwave. This is a lot weaker at 1000mi and = the=20 skywaves are relatively stronger. The depth of the fade is a function of = the=20 strength of the two paths whose relative phase is changing. If the = amplitudes=20 are equal then there is a total "wipeout" ....I guess 10% fade says one = path is=20 20dB stronger than the other.
 
Alan
G3NYK
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, = 2013 10:04=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: New Version = OPERA , with=20 FADE graphical indication

Long  range DX  1000  miles  , has less  = Fade  than  short  330  miles  , ?
 
 
IZ7SLZ de SWL-G6AVK (England): Op4 = 1078=20 mi F:10% -24 dB in Essex with 50w +=20 Inverted-L
 

PA3ABK de SWL-G4WGT (England): Op4 331 = mi F:21%=20 -23 dB in Chorley, IO83qo with 40w +=20

 
 
 
 

From: Graham
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: LF: New Version OPERA , with FADE graphical=20 indication

 
New data  added  to the  web linked  = reports =20 as  well ,  this  showing   10% of the  = signal=20 was  'not  decoded' and  at   -24 dB =20 would  support  a   ROS-MF-2
  'rtty'    qso 
 

IZ7SLZ de SWL-G6AVK (England): Op4 1078 mi = F:10% -24=20 dB in Essex with 50w + Inverted-L

G,
 
 
 
 

From: Graham
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 7:50 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: LF: New Version OPERA , with FADE graphical = indication=20

New Version OPERA , with FADE  / Time line  recording =
 
Latest  version provides a graphical  indication  = of=20 the  QSB/Fade  on the  signal  along the  = time =20 line
with a  % Fade  indicated  for  each =20 decode  , all  other  functions   remain = as =20 previous  issues 
there is  no  change to the  Tx format  =
 
 
There seems  to be a  problem  using  = IE =20 to  download  at the  moment  , FireFox  or=20 Chrome  are 'ok'
 
 
 http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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