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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Mike; All very interesting... Here in the US the 137 band has drawn, unfairly, much objection from the power grid people as you probably realize. They are fighting tooth and nail for exclusive continued use of 137. There is not that much objection to 600-630 meters and I think eventually should open up a large segment of it. As for 73, there doesn't seem to be allot of interest by the power people at this time. It was interesting to note that while I asked Warren to apply he said they may not act on the application or add restrictions as they have on the other low freq experimental licenses. Surprisingly, no restrictions were added whatso ever and full 10 ERP we requested was granted. I did want to try SSB here but noticed it didn't get added to the license. Think we best leave that alone at this point! Bob [...] Content analysis details: (-0.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [65.55.116.43 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (rjraide[at]hotmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.4 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 40d35b6fcf8b66e4fec28fa30f99f125 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_917b4421-12bc-4856-b537-d1ad2bd0bb53_" Subject: RE: LF: 74kHz - history X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1450 --_917b4421-12bc-4856-b537-d1ad2bd0bb53_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mike=3B All very interesting...=20 Here in the US the 137 band has drawn=2C unfairly=2C much objection from th= e power grid people as you probably realize. They are fighting tooth and n= ail for exclusive continued use of 137. There is not that much objection t= o 600-630 meters and I think eventually should open up a large segment of i= t. =20 As for 73=2C there doesn't seem to be allot of interest by the power people= at this time. It was interesting to note that while I asked Warren to app= ly he said they may not act on the application or add restrictions as they = have on the other low freq experimental licenses. Surprisingly=2C no restr= ictions were added whatso ever and full 10 ERP we requested was granted. I= did want to try SSB here but noticed it didn't get added to the license. = Think we best leave that alone at this point! Bob =20 > From: mike.dennison@ntlworld.com > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: Thu=2C 24 Oct 2013 17:09:43 +0100 > Subject: LF: 74kHz - history >=20 > Bob=2C here is a potted history of the UK 73kHz band: >=20 > The long term plan was always for a long-term international=20 > allocation. This was going to take some time and so an interim=20 > allocation was negotiated by the RSGB at 73kHz. This was shared with=20 > some VERY loud commercial stations. Special permission had to be=20 > requested to transmit=2C and the few of us who operated portable had to=20 > specify when and where we would do it. As with your work=2C amateurs in=20 > various countries participated by giving reception reports. >=20 > Later=2C the plan for an international allocation bore fruit=2C partly=20 > because of our work on 73kHz demonstrating that amateurs would be=20 > very unlikely to cause problems to commercial LF users=2C and we (and=20 > others) got the 136kHz band. Most activity shifted to that new (and=2C=20 > as you have found out=2C much easier) band=2C though several of us=20 > continued with experiments on 73kHz from time to time. The 73kHz band=20 > was eventually removed from UK amateurs following a change in the=20 > commercial use of this part of the spectrum. >=20 > It is to be hoped that the work of you special licensees on 74=2C 136=20 > and 472kHz will eventually lead to some full LF/MF allocations in the=20 > US. >=20 > de Mike=2C G3XDV >=20 > > Mike=3B > > Interesting indeed. When you operated here was there a push by the UK > > ops to move to 137? How did that come about? RSGB influence to move > > to 137 and just give back 73? > >=20 > > > From: mike.dennison@ntlworld.com > > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > > Date: Thu=2C 24 Oct 2013 16:11:00 +0100 > > > Subject: RE: LF: 74kHz - WG2XRS/5 callsign at last (2of2) > > >=20 > > > Oh yes. But it is a little early in the year and it will reduce as > > > it does on the other low bands=2C with some zero static days. When we > > > had the band some years ago=2C we were mostly using CW and QRSS3 over > > > shorter distances (my record was about 1100km) but we tended to > > > operate early in the morning when the static was at its lowest. > > >=20 > > > I reduce the interference here by using the quite effective noise > > > blankers in my Afedri SDR receiver=2C together with lots of fast AGC. > > > Then heavy limiting and a further noise blanker in SpecLab. The > > > resultant 'holes' are small compared with the QRSS60 bit length.=20 > > >=20 > > > de Mike > > >=20 > > > > Mike=3B > > > > Is that "pesky static" a characteristic of this band-from your > > > > passed experience? =20 > > > >=20 > > > > > From: mike.dennison@ntlworld.com > > > > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > > > > Date: Thu=2C 24 Oct 2013 15:30:14 +0100 > > > > > Subject: Re: LF: 74kHz - WG2XRS/5 callsign at last (2of2) > > > > >=20 > > > > > Well=2C Dex that was the good news. The bad news is that=2C as I > > > > > cautioned earlier=2C the lower noise level lower in the band was = a > > > > > function of my antenna pass band=2C and not of absolute noise. I > > > > > re- tuned to a lower frequency and it wasn't any better. So the > > > > > current frequency seems as good as any.=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > Interestingly=2C I left my SDR plotting a few kilohertz around 74= k > > > > > last night with long integration and I could see the shape of my > > > > > antenna passband produced by the night-time static acting as a > > > > > broadband noise generator. At last=2C I have found a use for that > > > > > pesky static! > > > > >=20 > > > > > de Mike > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > > Mike Dennison wrote: > > > > > > > More pics including the XRS/5 caps. > > > > > > Thanks Mike! That's a keeper. > > > > > >=20 > > > > > > Dex > > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 = --_917b4421-12bc-4856-b537-d1ad2bd0bb53_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mike=3B
All very interesting.= .. =3B
Here in the US the 137 band has drawn=2C unfairly=2C much obj= ection from the power grid people as you probably realize. =3B They are= fighting tooth and nail for exclusive continued use of 137. =3B There = is not that much objection to 600-630 meters and I think eventually should = open up a large segment of it. =3B =3B
As for 73=2C there doesn'= t seem to be allot of interest by the power people at this time. =3B It= was interesting to note that while I asked Warren to apply he said they ma= y not act on the application or add restrictions as they have on the other = low freq =3Bexperimental licenses. =3B Surprisingly=2C no restricti= ons were added whatso ever and full 10 ERP we requested was granted. = =3B I did want to try SSB here but noticed it didn't get added to the licen= se. =3B Think we best leave that alone at this point!
Bob
 = =3B
>=3B From: mike.dennison@ntlworld.com
>=3B To: rsgb_lf_g= roup@blacksheep.org
>=3B Date: Thu=2C 24 Oct 2013 17:09:43 +0100
&g= t=3B Subject: LF: 74kHz - history
>=3B
>=3B Bob=2C here is a pot= ted history of the UK 73kHz band:
>=3B
>=3B The long term plan = was always for a long-term international
>=3B allocation. This was go= ing to take some time and so an interim
>=3B allocation was negotiate= d by the RSGB at 73kHz. This was shared with
>=3B some VERY loud comm= ercial stations. Special permission had to be
>=3B requested to trans= mit=2C and the few of us who operated portable had to
>=3B specify wh= en and where we would do it. As with your work=2C amateurs in
>=3B va= rious countries participated by giving reception reports.
>=3B
>= =3B Later=2C the plan for an international allocation bore fruit=2C partly =
>=3B because of our work on 73kHz demonstrating that amateurs would b= e
>=3B very unlikely to cause problems to commercial LF users=2C and = we (and
>=3B others) got the 136kHz band. Most activity shifted to th= at new (and=2C
>=3B as you have found out=2C much easier) band=2C tho= ugh several of us
>=3B continued with experiments on 73kHz from time = to time. The 73kHz band
>=3B was eventually removed from UK amateurs = following a change in the
>=3B commercial use of this part of the spe= ctrum.
>=3B
>=3B It is to be hoped that the work of you special = licensees on 74=2C 136
>=3B and 472kHz will eventually lead to some f= ull LF/MF allocations in the
>=3B US.
>=3B
>=3B de Mike=2C= G3XDV
>=3B
>=3B >=3B Mike=3B
>=3B >=3B Interesting ind= eed. When you operated here was there a push by the UK
>=3B >=3B op= s to move to 137? How did that come about? RSGB influence to move
>= =3B >=3B to 137 and just give back 73?
>=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B= >=3B From: mike.dennison@ntlworld.com
>=3B >=3B >=3B To: rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org
>=3B >=3B >=3B Date: Thu=2C 24 Oct 2013 16:= 11:00 +0100
>=3B >=3B >=3B Subject: RE: LF: 74kHz - WG2XRS/5 calls= ign at last (2of2)
>=3B >=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B >=3B Oh yes.= But it is a little early in the year and it will reduce as
>=3B >= =3B >=3B it does on the other low bands=2C with some zero static days. Wh= en we
>=3B >=3B >=3B had the band some years ago=2C we were mostly= using CW and QRSS3 over
>=3B >=3B >=3B shorter distances (my reco= rd was about 1100km) but we tended to
>=3B >=3B >=3B operate early= in the morning when the static was at its lowest.
>=3B >=3B >=3B =
>=3B >=3B >=3B I reduce the interference here by using the quite = effective noise
>=3B >=3B >=3B blankers in my Afedri SDR receiver= =2C together with lots of fast AGC.
>=3B >=3B >=3B Then heavy limi= ting and a further noise blanker in SpecLab. The
>=3B >=3B >=3B re= sultant 'holes' are small compared with the QRSS60 bit length.
>=3B &= gt=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B >=3B de Mike
>=3B >=3B >=3B
&= gt=3B >=3B >=3B >=3B Mike=3B
>=3B >=3B >=3B >=3B Is that "= pesky static" a characteristic of this band-from your
>=3B >=3B >= =3B >=3B passed experience?
>=3B >=3B >=3B >=3B
>=3B &= gt=3B >=3B >=3B >=3B From: mike.dennison@ntlworld.com
>=3B >= =3B >=3B >=3B >=3B To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>=3B >=3B = >=3B >=3B >=3B Date: Thu=2C 24 Oct 2013 15:30:14 +0100
>=3B >= =3B >=3B >=3B >=3B Subject: Re: LF: 74kHz - WG2XRS/5 callsign at last= (2of2)
>=3B >=3B >=3B >=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B >=3B >= =3B >=3B Well=2C Dex that was the good news. The bad news is that=2C as I=
>=3B >=3B >=3B >=3B >=3B cautioned earlier=2C the lower noise= level lower in the band was a
>=3B >=3B >=3B >=3B >=3B functi= on of my antenna pass band=2C and not of absolute noise. I
>=3B >=3B= >=3B >=3B >=3B re- tuned to a lower frequency and it wasn't any bett= er. So the
>=3B >=3B >=3B >=3B >=3B current frequency seems as= good as any.
>=3B >=3B >=3B >=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B >= =3B >=3B >=3B Interestingly=2C I left my SDR plotting a few kilohertz a= round 74k
>=3B >=3B >=3B >=3B >=3B last night with long integr= ation and I could see the shape of my
>=3B >=3B >=3B >=3B >=3B= antenna passband produced by the night-time static acting as a
>=3B &= gt=3B >=3B >=3B >=3B broadband noise generator. At last=2C I have fou= nd a use for that
>=3B >=3B >=3B >=3B >=3B pesky static!
&g= t=3B >=3B >=3B >=3B >=3B
>=3B >=3B >=3B >=3B >=3B de = Mike
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>= =3B >=3B >=3B >=3B >=3B >=3B Mike Dennison wrote:
>=3B >= =3B >=3B >=3B >=3B >=3B >=3B More pics including the XRS/5 caps.<= br>>=3B >=3B >=3B >=3B >=3B >=3B Thanks Mike! That's a keeper.=
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