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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: G; Another issue is the freq! Gary shows 72.4 as cleaner on his grabber. Some of the Europeans are saying 74.550 is best. Gonna try WSPR 15 tonite on 74.550 and see what shakes. Gotta give QRSS 60 a chance and then back to an OP mode-Bob [...] Content analysis details: (-2.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [65.55.116.20 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (rjraide[at]hotmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -2.4 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 4bc17085406dca8cb02959d4b62a7d31 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_ce947e87-c348-45f2-bbfe-7893ba7d9051_" Subject: RE: LF: Re[2]: Re: QRSS OP WSPR X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1626 --_ce947e87-c348-45f2-bbfe-7893ba7d9051_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable G=3B Another issue is the freq! Gary shows 72.4 as cleaner on his grabber. Som= e of the Europeans are saying 74.550 is best. Gonna try WSPR 15 tonite on = 74.550 and see what shakes. Gotta give QRSS 60 a chance and then back to a= n OP mode-Bob =20 From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri=2C 27 Sep 2013 22:34:03 +0100 Subject: Re: LF: Re[2]: Re: QRSS OP WSPR =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Thats the problem 3 dB =3D =0A= 1000 watts =0A= =0A= Your looking from a good SDR =0A= Rx op32 =3D -40 dB OP65 must =0A= be -43 / -44 dB bottom limit =2C but then =0A= Markus has cunningly devised a post =0A= process =2C correlation system that pattern matches =0A= the OP keying signature for each call =2C =0A= that gives another 7 db or so + =0A= taking things to -53 =2C that 7 db is =0A= x4 power =2C an extra 4Kw free =2C noting =0A= that the OP system is averaging and will make use =0A= of any qsb =2C that -43 is average over =0A= 65 mins =0A= =0A= In this situation =2C with minimal =0A= efficiency =2C max AE system =2C Max TX power =2C Rx =0A= sites are well sorted this side =2C the =0A= only option left is time =2C if op65 =0A= wont cross the pond =2C Jose has a =0A= OP130 option =2C that's a long cycle =2C =0A= but its another 3 dB and double =0A= the sample size =2C after that stability is a =0A= problem =0A= =0A= from the first decodes =0A= OP16 would of made it locally =2C that =0A= would give a qsb profile =2C as to what go's =0A= on =2C Gus sm6bhz is starting to think OP8 is =0A= better than OP32 =2C hes putting in some good =0A= ranges in the night =2C but he has quite =0A= a substantial Ae .. =0A= =0A= Design =3D efficiency =3D =0A= TA :- ) =0A= =0A= 73-G=2C =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= From: Bob Raide =0A= Sent: Friday=2C September 27=2C 2013 10:08 PM=0A= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A= =0A= Subject: RE: LF: Re[2]: Re: QRSS OP WSPR=0A= =0A= G=3B If I could handle more voltage at the base of my =0A= vertical I have the capability of going to 5 KV plate volts @ 2 amps plate = =0A= current. I would have to use a keyed CW mode to run this rig like =0A= that. But it would kick ass. I wouldn't want to run a steady =0A= state keydown carrier much over 4-5 KW. So OP 65 would have 3+ db jump =0A= over anything else right off the bat! But can't handle the ant input =0A= voltage-this is a log house and wood constructed garage for the shack-fire = dept =0A= over 2 miles away in town-this place would burn to the ground-Bob =20 =0A= =0A= =0A= From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri=2C =0A= 27 Sep 2013 21:55:50 +0100 Subject: Re: LF: Re[2]: Re: QRSS OP WSPR =0A= We have still the last working OP2 =0A= qso mode =2C which can send ' I have two cats' =0A= =0A= But the decode s/n is -20 dB =2C =0A= ROS-MF-2 is round -26 dB -28dB about =0A= the same=0A= as wspr-2 =2C but a full free running =0A= data mode =0A= =0A= At speeds less than 1 baud =2C =0A= would any one use such a mode =2C there was =0A= a ROS 0.1 Baud =0A= 7/8 db lower =2C but very very slow =0A= ! .. =0A= =0A= In the start =2C was the problem of =0A= translating audio to rf on 136/500 =2C =0A= but now that =0A= seems to be much less of a problem =0A= =0A= =0A= 73-G=2C =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= From: Alex R7NT =0A= =0A= Sent: Friday=2C September 27=2C 2013 9:40 PM=0A= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =0A= =0A= Subject: LF: Re[2]: Re: QRSS OP WSPR=0A= Dear LF enthusiasts! my opinion is not very original in =0A= English - in Russian I would write A4+++ :-) "CQ R7NT K" QRSS20 =0A= - 28' 40'" simple TX=2C visual decode=2C subjective report=2C random =0A= time=2C QSO mode.... DFCW20 - 11' 4" little more =0A= complicated TX=2C visual decode=2C subjective report=2C random time=2C =0A= QSO mode.... "any call ++" Qp32 - 32' simple TX=2C =0A= software based decode/report=2C random time=2C no QSO mode.... WSPR-15 =0A= - 15' little more complicated TX=2C software based decode/report=2C =0A= 00'=2C 15'=2C 30'=2C 45' times to start=2C no QSO mode........ QRSS20 =0A= ~~=3DDFCW20 ~~=3DOP32 ~~=3DWSPR-15 Comparing OP32 and WSPR-15 =0A= (OP8/WSPR-2) is equally as comparing QRSS20 and DFCW20 (QRSS3/ =0A= DFCW3) I personally like DFCW=2C JT9-5..10 more.... but I have the little =0A= choise now....=20 ...maybe WOLF agn? 73! Alex R7NT 136.73.ru =0A= =0A= = --_ce947e87-c348-45f2-bbfe-7893ba7d9051_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Another issue is the fre= q! =3B Gary shows 72.4 as cleaner =3Bon his grabber. =3B Some o= f the Europeans are saying 74.550 is best. =3B Gonna try WSPR 15 tonite= on 74.550 and see what shakes. =3B Gotta give QRSS 60 a chance and the= n back to an OP mode-Bob
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From: = g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: Fri=2C= 27 Sep 2013 22:34:03 +0100
Subject: Re: LF: Re[2]: Re: QRSS OP WSPR
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Thats =3B the =3B problem =3B =3B= 3 dB =3D =3B =0A= 1000 watts =3B
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Your looking =3B from a =3B good =3B = SDR =0A= Rx =3B =3B =3B op32 =3B =3D -40 dB =3B =3B =3B = OP65 =3B must =3B =0A= be =3B -43 / -44 dB =3B bottom =3B limit =3B =2C but then&n= bsp=3B =0A= Markus =3B =3B has =3B cunningly =3B devised =3B a = =3B post =3B =0A= process =3B =2C correlation =3B system that =3B pattern =3B= matches =3B =0A= the =3B OP keying =3B signature =3B for =3B each =3B ca= ll =3B =2C =0A= that =3B =3Bgives =3B another =3B 7 db or so  =3B +&nbs= p=3B =3B =0A= taking =3B things to =3B -53  =3B =3B =2C that =3B 7 db= is =3B =3B =0A= x4 =3B power =3B =2C an =3B extra =3B 4Kw =3B =3B f= ree =2C noting =0A= that =3B the =3B OP system is =3B averaging and will =3B ma= ke use =3B =0A= of =3B any =3B qsb =3B =2C that =3B -43 =3B is =3B = average =3B over =0A= 65 =3B mins
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In this =3B situation =3B =2C with = =3B minimal =3B =0A= efficiency =3B =2C =3B max =3B AE system =3B =2C Max = =3B TX power =2C Rx =0A= sites =3B are =3B well =3B sorted =3B this side =3B =2C=  =3B the =3B =0A= only =3B option =3B left =3B is =3B time =2C if =3B op6= 5 =3B =3B =0A= wont =3B =3B cross =3B the =3B pond =3B =2C =3B&nbs= p=3B Jose =3B has a =0A=  =3B OP130 =3Boption  =3B =2C that's =3B a =3B long&nbs= p=3B cycle =3B =2C =0A= but =3B its =3B another =3B 3 =3B dB =3B and =3B do= uble =3B =0A= the =3B sample =3B size =3B =2C after =3B that  =3B sta= bility is a =3B =0A= problem
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from the =3B first =3B decodes =3B&nb= sp=3B =0A= OP16 =3B =3B would =3B of =3B made =3B it =3B local= ly =2C that =3B =0A= would =3B give =3B a =3B qsb =3B profile =2C as to =3B = what =3B go's =0A= on =2C Gus =3B sm6bhz =3B is =3B starting =3B to =3B th= ink OP8 is =3B =0A= better =3B than =3B OP32 =2C hes =3B putting =3B in some&nb= sp=3B good =3B =0A= ranges =3B in the =3B night =3B =2C but =3B he =3B has&= nbsp=3B quite =0A= a =3B substantial =3B =3B Ae =3B ..
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Design =3B =3D =3B efficiency =3B =3D=  =3B =0A= TA =3B =3B :- )
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73-G=2C
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From: Bob Raide
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Sent: Friday=2C September 27=2C 2013 10:08 PM
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Subject: RE: LF: Re[2]: Re: QRSS OP WSPR
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If I could handle =3Bmore voltage at the base = of my =0A= vertical I have the capability of going to 5 KV plate volts @ 2 amps plate = =0A= current. =3B I would have to use a keyed CW mode to run =3Bthis rig= like =0A= that. =3B But it would kick ass. =3B =3BI wouldn't want to run = a steady =0A= state keydown carrier much over 4-5 KW. =3B So OP 65 would have 3+ db j= ump =0A= over anything else right off the bat! =3B But can't handle the ant inpu= t =0A= voltage-this is a log house and wood constructed garage for the shack-fire = dept =0A= over 2 miles away in town-this place would burn to the ground-Bob
 = =3B
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=0A= From: g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Date: = Fri=2C =0A= 27 Sep 2013 21:55:50 +0100
Subject: Re: LF: Re[2]: Re: QRSS OP WSPR
<= br>=0A=
We have still =3B the =3B last =3B working =3B OP2&nbs= p=3B =3B =0A= qso =3B mode =2C which =3B can =3B send =3B =3B ' I hav= e two cats' =3B =0A=
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But =3B the =3B decode =3B =3B s/n is =3B =3B = -20 dB =2C =0A= ROS-MF-2 =3B =3B is =3B round =3B -26 dB =3B -28dB = =3B =3B about =0A= the =3B same
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as =3B wspr-2 =3B =2C but a =3B full =3B free =3B = running =3B =0A= data =3B mode
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At =3B speeds =3B less =3B than =3B 1 =3B baud&nbs= p=3B =2C =0A= would =3B any one =3B use =3B such a =3B mode =2C there&nbs= p=3B was =3B =0A= a =3B ROS =3B 0.1 Baud
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7/8 =3B db lower =3B =2C but =3B very =3B very =3B= slow =3B =0A= ! =3B ..
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In the =3B start =2C was the =3B problem =3B of =3B = =0A= translating =3B =3B audio =3B to =3B rf =3B on 136/500&= nbsp=3B =2C =0A= but =3B now =3B that
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seems =3B to =3B be =3B much =3B less =3B of a&nbs= p=3B problem =0A=
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73-G=2C
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From: Alex R= 7NT =0A=
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Sent: Friday=2C September 27=2C 2013 9:40 PM
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Subject: LF: Re[2]: Re: QRSS OP WSPR
=0A=

Dear LF enthusiasts!
my opinion is not very original in = =0A= English - in Russian I would write A4+++ :-)

"CQ R7NT K"
QRSS20 = =0A=  =3B-  =3B28' 40'"  =3Bsimple TX=2C visual decode=2C subjective= report=2C random =0A= time=2C QSO mode....
DFCW20  =3B- 11' 4"  =3B  =3B  =3Bl= ittle more =0A= complicated TX=2C =3Bvisual decode=2C =3Bsubjective report=2C = =3Brandom time=2C =0A= QSO mode....

"any call ++"
Qp32  =3B- 32'  =3B  =3Bsi= mple TX=2C =0A= software based decode/report=2C =3Brandom time=2C no =3BQSO mode...= .
WSPR-15 =0A= - 15'  =3Blittle more complicated TX=2C =3Bsoftware based =3Bde= code/report=2C =0A= 00'=2C 15'=2C 30'=2C 45' times to start=2C =3Bno =3BQSO mode.......= .

QRSS20 =0A= ~~=3DDFCW20 ~~=3DOP32 ~~=3DWSPR-15

Comparing OP32 and =3BWSPR-15= =0A= (OP8/WSPR-2) =3Bis equally as comparing =3BQRSS20 and DFCW20 (QRSS3= / =0A= DFCW3)
I personally like DFCW=2C JT9-5..10 more.... but I have the littl= e =0A= choise now....
...maybe WOLF agn?

73! Alex R7NT  =3B136.73.r= u
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