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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Pete, all, the lack of experience / knowledge about longwave it not only in the ham community. I remember that when the discussion about a longwave allocation for amateur radio was going on (about 20 years ago) some parties involved had no objection as they were sure that with the given limitation of 1 W ERP hams would hardly be able "to reach the other side of town". 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I remember that when the discussion about a longwave allocation for amateur= radio was going on (about 20 years ago) some parties involved had no objec= tion as they were sure that with the given limitation of 1 W ERP hams would= hardly be able "to reach the other side of town". 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] namens M0FMT [m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk] Verzonden: zondag 8 september 2013 21:25 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: G4CFY writes off the 137kHz band Hi all I have to say I was very disappointed by that comment but assumed he had no= experience below 3.6mhz like the majority of Hams. I am a annual subscribe= r to Practical Wireless which after all is the only counter weight to RADCO= MIC the Martin Lynch and Sons catalogue or the PIC monthly as I call it. Sc= hematics with a big blank square in the middle with no construction details= of what the hell it is or forgive me Hex Code. Plus lots of generic schema= tics with no component details. Long boring articles by people who should k= now better. So you pays your money and takes your choice of Ham Radio comic= s. Even so I think PW needs a good talking to and to get a retraction or at le= ast print the case for MF/LF/VLF. 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sunday, 8 September 2013, 18:29 Subject: Re: LF: G4CFY writes off the 137kHz band And those who go a little more , Cams' comic so im reliably informed G, But , what actually is he talking about in the article ? -------------------------------------------------- From: "pat" > Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 6:20 PM To: > Cc: "Warren Ziegler" > Subject: Re: LF: G4CFY writes off the 137kHz band > Warren, > While many of us (particularly those of us of a certain age) have an > affection stretching back to near childhood for that publication it is > not for nothing that we nickname it "Practically Witless Monthly" :>) > > 73 > > > On 08/09/13 02:53, Warren Ziegler wrote: >> >> Tony Nailer G4CFY has a bit in his "Practical Wireless" column >> "Technical for the terrified" this month on the 137 kHz band in which >> he writes it off as worthless. >> >> "With the limitation of antenna efficiency together with a bandwidth >> of only 100Hz, there really isn't much that can be done with this band." >> >> Anyone on the list know Tony? >> Who is in the best position to write a rebuttal that PW will publish? >> >> >> -- >> 73 Warren K2ORS >> WD2XGJ >> WD2XSH/23 >> WE2XEB/2 >> WE2XGR/1 >> > > > -- > 73 de pat g4gvw > es gd dx > qth nr Felixstowe > East Coast UK > > --_000_7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FC3E256ICTSSMBX1lunaku_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Pete, all,

 

the lack of experience / knowledge about longwave it not only in the ham= community.

I remember that when the discussion about a longwave allocation for amat= eur radio was going on (about 20 years ago) some parties involved had no ob= jection as they were sure that with the given limitation of 1 W ERP hams wo= uld hardly be able "to reach the other side of town".

 

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

 

Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [o= wner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens M0FMT [m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk]
Verzonden: zondag 8 september 2013 21:25
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: Re: LF: G4CFY writes off the 137kHz band

Hi all
I have to say I was very disappointed by that comment but assumed he h= ad no experience below 3.6mhz like the majority of Hams. I am a annual subs= criber to Practical Wireless which after all is the only counter weight to&= nbsp;RADCOMIC the Martin Lynch and Sons catalogue or the PIC monthly as I call it. Schematics with a big= blank square in the middle with no construction details of what the hell i= t is or forgive me Hex Code. Plus lots of generic schematics with no compon= ent details. Long boring articles by people who should know better. So you pays your money and takes your choice of Ha= m Radio comics.
 
Even so I think PW needs a good talking to and to get a retraction or = at least print the case for MF/LF/VLF.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX

From:<= /span> Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org
Sent: Sunday, 8 September 2= 013, 18:29
Subject: Re: LF: G4CFY writ= es off the 137kHz band

And those who go a little  more  ,

Cams' comic

so  im reliably  informed

G,

But  , what  actually  is  he  talking  about= in the  article  ?


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From: "pat" <g4gvw@aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 6:20 PM
To: <r= sgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Cc: "Warren Ziegler" <wd2xgj@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: LF: G4CFY writes off the 137kHz band

> Warren,
> While many of us (particularly those of us of a certain age) have an <= br> > affection stretching back to near childhood for that publication it is=
> not for nothing that we nickname it "Practically Witless Monthly&= quot; :>)
>
> 73
>
>
> On 08/09/13 02:53, Warren Ziegler wrote:
>>
>> Tony Nailer G4CFY has a bit in his "Practical Wireless" = column
>> "Technical for the terrified" this month on the 137 kHz = band in which
>> he writes it off as worthless.
>>
>> "With the limitation of antenna efficiency together with a ba= ndwidth
>> of only 100Hz, there really isn't much that can be done with this = band."
>>
>>  Anyone on the list know Tony?
>> Who is in the best position to write a rebuttal that PW will publi= sh?
>>
>>
>> --
>> 73 Warren K2ORS
>>                WD2XGJ
>>                WD2XSH/23 >>                WE2XEB/2 >>                WE2XGR/1 >>
>
>
> --
> 73 de pat g4gvw
> es gd dx
> qth nr Felixstowe
> East Coast UK
>
>



 
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