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Yes a valid point , buy the pic from the author , only to find the read-fuses have been blown and you cannot change anything G, [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.42 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 571129b349252c35b2bc09d7a1c6d0f3 Subject: Re: Aw: Re: LF: PIC based designs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D7_01CE9EB4.27D00850" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1837 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D7_01CE9EB4.27D00850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tubes of PIC's may be ? Yes a valid point , buy the pic from the author , only to find = the read-fuses have been blown and you cannot change anything = G,=20 From: aot.aot@gmx.de=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 6:12 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Aw: Re: LF: PIC based designs =20 Pete, did not want to offend you! I like tubes too! In my rx are 21 of them ;-) And my tx for HF works still with PL504 in pa... Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. August 2013 um 17:58 Uhr Von: M0FMT An: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Betreff: Re: LF: PIC based designs Christian My secret is out, I confess I build tube projects, although I am not a = total Dinosaur. I build SDR SMT and PIC projects. My rant was that I = have found a project published by W3PM Gene. Nicely lay out but totally = and utterly useless because there is no HEX code to go with the article. = However I have found another of his articles publish which is a dead = copy of Johan Bodin SM6LKM PIC project of a few years ago where Johan = did publish all the PIC program details plus HEX code. So may be = plagiarism is rife on the Interweb?=20 Oh sorry Stefan 10nano Farads but you knew what I meant? End of rant! 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX =20 From: C. Groeger To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Wednesday, 21 August 2013, 13:58 Subject: Re: LF: PIC based designs Hi Pete, I was thinking you're still working with tubes...;-) 73, df5qg Christian Groeger M0FMT schrieb: >Hi all >=20 >This is an open letter to all PIC based designers form a frustrated = constructor....... >=20 >".... >=20 > >As with all construction articles that contain a Micro Processor chip = is that the one vital ingredient to make it is the HEX code. It is as = vital as the 0.01 mF decoupling capacitor that goes across the Vcc to = ground. =20 > >It is IMHO and most guys I have spoken to over the air that a = construction article that has a PIC in the BOM is so much wasted paper. = The Radcom being a typical magazine that delights in publishing the = schematic of a PIC based project but doesn't publish the Hex script. My = guess is the so called editors have no construction experience and do = not understand the significance of what they are publishing. I think = peoples hearts sink when they look down the BOM and see 16F84 or what = ever. > >The people who look at these sorts of articles are constructor like me = not Code designers otherwise they wouldn't need a construction article = at all, because they would be busily designing there own code .... = wouldn't they. I have a G3--- friend who is a great constructor. = Nothing in his shack is commercial ready made. He has a prodigious = output of excellent TX and RX designs, keyers and SDR projects, nothing = with a PIC. I have encouraged him to take advantage of the facility to = be found in a PIC based project but he considers them black magic. = Because of the RADCOM and other mags that trot these PIC based projects = out with little concern if any one actually builds them they are = referred to as space fillers of little interest and are intensely = frustrating. This sort of incomplete article can be an ego trip for the = writer with the publishing editor oblivious to what is in the big blank = square in the middle of the schematic. > >So this mail is an appeal to you and all other PIC based designers = please, please publish the HEX code. It doesn't take much space on a = page and simple for someone to scan the code and use word recognition = software to convert it along with a bit of manual editing if necessary. = Otherwise I would say don't bother publishing your designs. > >Sorry for the venting but just going through yet another "Oh B*!$$er = it's got a PIC in it" article that looked promising. > >73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00D7_01CE9EB4.27D00850 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tubes of  PIC's   may  be  ?
 
Yes  a valid  point  , buy the  pic  from=20 the  author  , only   to  find  = the  =20 read-fuses  have  been   blown and  you  = cannot=20 change  anything 
 
G,

Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 6:12 PM
Subject: Aw: Re: LF: PIC based designs

 =20
Pete,
did not want to offend you!
 
I like tubes too! In my rx are 21 of them ;-)
And my tx for HF works still with PL504 in pa...
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. = August=20 2013 um 17:58 Uhr
Von: M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>
An:=  "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= "=20 <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= >
Betreff: Re:=20 LF: PIC based designs
Christian
 
My secret is out, I confess I build tube projects, = although=20 I am not a total Dinosaur. I build SDR SMT and PIC projects. My = rant was=20 that I have found a project published by W3PM Gene. Nicely lay out but = totally=20 and utterly useless because there is no HEX code to go with the article. = However=20 I have found another of his articles publish which is a dead copy of = Johan Bodin=20 SM6LKM PIC project of a few years ago where Johan did publish all = the PIC=20 program details plus HEX code. So may be plagiarism is rife on the=20 Interweb? 
 
Oh sorry Stefan 10nano Farads but you knew what I=20 meant?
 
End of = rant!
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
 =20
From: C. Groeger=20 <aot.aot@gmx.de>
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Wednesday, 21 August 2013,=20 13:58
Subject: Re: = LF: PIC=20 based designs

Hi Pete,
I was thinking you're still = working=20 with tubes...;-)
73, df5qg

Christian Groeger

M0FMT = <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>=20 schrieb:

>Hi all
> 
>This is an open letter = to all=20 PIC based designers form a frustrated=20 constructor.......
> 
>"....
> 
>
&g= t;As=20 with all construction articles that contain a Micro Processor chip is = that=20  the one vital ingredient to make it is the HEX code. It is as = vital as the=20 0.01 mF decoupling capacitor that goes across the Vcc to=20 ground.  
>
>It is IMHO and most guys I have = spoken to=20 over the air that a construction article that has a PIC in the BOM is so = much=20 wasted paper. The Radcom being a typical magazine that delights in = publishing=20 the schematic of a PIC based project but doesn't publish the Hex script. = My=20 guess is the so called editors have no construction experience and = do not=20 understand the significance of what they are publishing. I think = peoples=20 hearts sink when they look down the BOM and see 16F84 or what=20 ever.
>
>The people who look at these sorts of articles = are=20 constructor like me not Code designers otherwise they wouldn't need a=20 construction article at all, because they would be busily designing = there own=20 code .... wouldn't they. I have a G3---  friend who is a = great=20 constructor. Nothing in his shack is commercial ready made. He has a = prodigious=20 output of excellent TX and RX designs, keyers and SDR projects, nothing = with a=20 PIC. I have encouraged him to take advantage of the facility to be found = in a=20 PIC based project but he considers them black magic. Because of the = RADCOM=20 and other mags that trot these PIC based projects out with little = concern if any=20 one actually builds them they are referred to as space fillers of little = interest and are intensely frustrating. This sort of incomplete article = can=20 be an ego trip for the writer with the publishing editor oblivious = to what=20 is in the big blank square in the middle of the = schematic.
>
>So=20 this mail is an appeal to you and all other PIC based designers please, = please=20 publish the HEX code. It doesn't take much space on a page and = simple for=20 someone to scan the code and use word recognition software to convert it = along=20 with a bit of manual editing if necessary. Otherwise I would say = don't=20 bother publishing your designs.
>
>Sorry for the venting but = just=20 going through yet another "Oh B*!$$er it's got a PIC in it" article that = looked=20 promising.
>
>73 es GL Pete M0FMT=20 IO91UX
 
 
 
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