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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello Pete, Very nice. Sounds peaceful and in agreement to our humour :-) From time to time there are very nice emails coming in here, some of them stay in my mind. Like the photo of a Spanish OM showing a bird sitting in the shadow of a tower. And Eddie asking what causes the black line on the street. Or Graham's hinto and link to the Hungarian translation book or the 4 candles link ;-) Or some provoking emails from Mal ;-) Just fine! 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Sounds peaceful and in agreement to our humour :-) From time to time there are very nice emails coming in here, some of them stay in my mind. Like the photo of a Spanish OM showing a bird sitting in the shadow of a tower. And Eddie asking what causes the black line on the street. Or Graham's hinto and link to the Hungarian translation book or the 4 candles link ;-) Or some provoking emails from Mal ;-) Just fine! Pete, do you plan to become QRV there? Will it be in CW (too) ? And when? 73, CU, Stefan/DK7FC Am 21.08.2013 19:35, schrieb M0FMT: > Hi Christian > I am very sorry if you thought you had offended me. To be clear you > did not in anyway offend me. Your comment was taken in the spirit of > our great hobby. > I just wanted you to know you got it dead right......... hee. It was > received in the good humour from you and Stefan as it was sent... |:o) > I like the tubes count in you RX. > I will be looking out for yours and Stefans great sigs on 472 but no > TX this end at the moment so reports via this reflector. > > > Best 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX > > *From:* "aot.aot@gmx.de" > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Wednesday, 21 August 2013, 18:12 > *Subject:* Aw: Re: LF: PIC based designs > > Pete, > did not want to offend you! > I like tubes too! In my rx are 21 of them ;-) > And my tx for HF works still with PL504 in pa... > *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 21. August 2013 um 17:58 Uhr > *Von:* M0FMT > *An:* "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" > *Betreff:* Re: LF: PIC based designs > Christian > My secret is out, I confess I build tube projects, although I am not a > total Dinosaur. I build SDR SMT and PIC projects. My rant was that I > have found a project published by W3PM Gene. Nicely lay out but > totally and utterly useless because there is no HEX code to go with > the article. However I have found another of his articles publish > which is a dead copy of Johan Bodin SM6LKM PIC project of a few years > ago where Johan did publish all the PIC program details plus HEX code. > So may be plagiarism is rife on the Interweb? > Oh sorry Stefan 10nano Farads but you knew what I meant? > End of rant! > 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX > *From:* C. Groeger > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > *Sent:* Wednesday, 21 August 2013, 13:58 > *Subject:* Re: LF: PIC based designs > > Hi Pete, > I was thinking you're still working with tubes...;-) > 73, df5qg > > Christian Groeger > > M0FMT schrieb: > > >Hi all > > > >This is an open letter to all PIC based designers form a frustrated > constructor....... > > > >".... > > > > > >As with all construction articles that contain a Micro Processor chip > is that the one vital ingredient to make it is the HEX code. It is as > vital as the 0.01 mF decoupling capacitor that goes across the Vcc to > ground. > > > >It is IMHO and most guys I have spoken to over the air that a > construction article that has a PIC in the BOM is so much wasted > paper. The Radcom being a typical magazine that delights in publishing > the schematic of a PIC based project but doesn't publish the Hex > script. My guess is the so called editors have no construction > experience and do not understand the significance of what they are > publishing. I think peoples hearts sink when they look down the BOM > and see 16F84 or what ever. > > > >The people who look at these sorts of articles are constructor like > me not Code designers otherwise they wouldn't need a construction > article at all, because they would be busily designing there own code > .... wouldn't they. I have a G3--- friend who is a great constructor. > Nothing in his shack is commercial ready made. He has a prodigious > output of excellent TX and RX designs, keyers and SDR projects, > nothing with a PIC. I have encouraged him to take advantage of the > facility to be found in a PIC based project but he considers them > black magic. Because of the RADCOM and other mags that trot these PIC > based projects out with little concern if any one actually builds them > they are referred to as space fillers of little interest and are > intensely frustrating. This sort of incomplete article can be an ego > trip for the writer with the publishing editor oblivious to what is in > the big blank square in the middle of the schematic. > > > >So this mail is an appeal to you and all other PIC based designers > please, please publish the HEX code. It doesn't take much space on a > page and simple for someone to scan the code and use word recognition > software to convert it along with a bit of manual editing if > necessary. Otherwise I would say don't bother publishing your designs. > > > >Sorry for the venting but just going through yet another "Oh B*!$$er > it's got a PIC in it" article that looked promising. > > > >73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX > > --------------070405000807000508000109 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Pete,

Very nice. Sounds peaceful and in agreement to our humour :-) From time to time there are very nice emails coming in here, some of them stay in my mind. Like the photo of a Spanish OM showing a bird sitting in the shadow of a tower. And Eddie asking what causes the black line on the street. Or Graham's hinto and link to the Hungarian translation book or the 4 candles link ;-) Or some provoking emails from Mal ;-) Just fine!

Pete, do you plan to become QRV there? Will it be in CW (too) ? And when?

73, CU, Stefan/DK7FC

Am 21.08.2013 19:35, schrieb M0FMT:
Hi Christian
 
I am very sorry if you thought you had offended me. To be clear you did not in anyway offend me. Your comment was taken in the spirit of our great hobby.
I just wanted you to know you got it dead right......... hee.  It was received in the good humour from you and Stefan as it was sent... |:o)
 
I like the tubes count in you RX.
 
I will be looking out for yours and Stefans great sigs on 472 but no TX this end at the moment so reports via this reflector.


Best 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX

From: "aot.aot@gmx.de" <aot.aot@gmx.de>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Wednesday, 21 August 2013, 18:12
Subject: Aw: Re: LF: PIC based designs

 
Pete,
did not want to offend you!
 
I like tubes too! In my rx are 21 of them ;-)
And my tx for HF works still with PL504 in pa...
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. August 2013 um 17:58 Uhr
Von: M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>
An: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Betreff: Re: LF: PIC based designs
Christian
 
My secret is out, I confess I build tube projects, although I am not a total Dinosaur. I build SDR SMT and PIC projects. My rant was that I have found a project published by W3PM Gene. Nicely lay out but totally and utterly useless because there is no HEX code to go with the article. However I have found another of his articles publish which is a dead copy of Johan Bodin SM6LKM PIC project of a few years ago where Johan did publish all the PIC program details plus HEX code. So may be plagiarism is rife on the Interweb? 
 
Oh sorry Stefan 10nano Farads but you knew what I meant?
 
End of rant!
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
 
 
From: C. Groeger <aot.aot@gmx.de>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Wednesday, 21 August 2013, 13:58
Subject: Re: LF: PIC based designs

Hi Pete,
I was thinking you're still working with tubes...;-)
73, df5qg

Christian Groeger

M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk> schrieb:

>Hi all
> 
>This is an open letter to all PIC based designers form a frustrated constructor.......
> 
>"....
> 
>
>As with all construction articles that contain a Micro Processor chip is that  the one vital ingredient to make it is the HEX code. It is as vital as the 0.01 mF decoupling capacitor that goes across the Vcc to ground.  
>
>It is IMHO and most guys I have spoken to over the air that a construction article that has a PIC in the BOM is so much wasted paper. The Radcom being a typical magazine that delights in publishing the schematic of a PIC based project but doesn't publish the Hex script. My guess is the so called editors have no construction experience and do not understand the significance of what they are publishing. I think peoples hearts sink when they look down the BOM and see 16F84 or what ever.
>
>The people who look at these sorts of articles are constructor like me not Code designers otherwise they wouldn't need a construction article at all, because they would be busily designing there own code .... wouldn't they. I have a G3---  friend who is a great constructor. Nothing in his shack is commercial ready made. He has a prodigious output of excellent TX and RX designs, keyers and SDR projects, nothing with a PIC. I have encouraged him to take advantage of the facility to be found in a PIC based project but he considers them black magic. Because of the RADCOM and other mags that trot these PIC based projects out with little concern if any one actually builds them they are referred to as space fillers of little interest and are intensely frustrating. This sort of incomplete article can be an ego trip for the writer with the publishing editor oblivious to what is in the big blank square in the middle of the schematic.
>
>So this mail is an appeal to you and all other PIC based designers please, please publish the HEX code. It doesn't take much space on a page and simple for someone to scan the code and use word recognition software to convert it along with a bit of manual editing if necessary. Otherwise I would say don't bother publishing your designs.
>
>Sorry for the venting but just going through yet another "Oh B*!$$er it's got a PIC in it" article that looked promising.
>
>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
 
 
 


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