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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi Clemens, MF, Some more thoughts about QSY: Am 18.08.2013 11:38, schrieb Clemens Paul: > In the mean time it would be a good idea to stay away at least 2kHz from the > usual calling qrg 472,5 when you are rag chewing for hours which was > interesting to listen to.:-) > The band is wide and empty enough so there is plenty of room to choose. [...] Content analysis details: (-3.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [129.206.100.212 listed in list.dnswl.org] -2.8 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: bde53fa3678f346afe39dd99e3e185db Subject: Re: LF: QRM on 472.5kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030705040800070404000503" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2597 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030705040800070404000503 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Clemens, MF, Some more thoughts about QSY: Am 18.08.2013 11:38, schrieb Clemens Paul: > In the mean time it would be a good idea to stay away at least 2kHz from the > usual calling qrg 472,5 when you are rag chewing for hours which was > interesting to listen to.:-) > The band is wide and empty enough so there is plenty of room to choose. _The problem is: _ There are only a few active CW stations on that band (over the year, not arround xmas time). CW activity can be found between 474...473 kHz (> 90% of all QSOs). And: The regular active CW stations are the stronger ones!! The reason is simple: If you struggle a long time just to get the station deteils of the other station for the logbook, then you are happy and tend to finish the QSO before the signal is lost in QSB completely. You will not talk for hours, talking about others antenna :-) , when the RST is 239! QRP stations prefer to do WSPR only or have short QSOs.( OK, the UK may be an exception here, because the station density is much higher and they can find active stations in a smaler range, which is fine.) Now, if these few active stations are splitting each other on the entire band, it will be even more harder to find a QSO partner. And RX stations will tend to choose the frequency where they can actually listen to a QSO while doing other things in the background (like building linear PAs), as you did last night. After some time, the actual center of CW activity would move then to where activity can be found. And if it is true that the active stations are the strong stations, then someone will come with the idea to make QSY from that fequency :-) 73, Stefan/DK7FC --------------030705040800070404000503 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Clemens, MF,

Some more thoughts about QSY:

Am 18.08.2013 11:38, schrieb Clemens Paul:
In the mean time it would be a good idea to stay away at least 2kHz from the
usual calling qrg 472,5 when you are rag chewing for hours which was
interesting to listen to.:-)
The band is wide and empty enough so there is plenty of room to choose.

The problem is:
There are only a few active CW stations on that band (over the year, not arround xmas time). CW activity can be found between 474...473 kHz (> 90% of all QSOs).
And: The regular active CW stations are the stronger ones!!
The reason is simple: If you struggle a long time just to get the station deteils of the other station for the logbook, then you are happy and tend to finish the QSO before the signal is lost in QSB completely. You will not talk for hours, talking about others antenna :-) , when the RST is 239!
QRP stations prefer to do WSPR only or have short QSOs.( OK, the UK may be an exception here, because the station density is much higher and they can find active stations in a smaler range, which is fine.)

Now, if these few active stations are splitting each other on the entire band, it will be even more harder to find a QSO partner. And RX stations will tend to choose the frequency where they can actually listen to a QSO while doing other things in the background (like building linear PAs), as you did last night.
After some time, the actual center of CW activity would move then to where activity can be found. And if it is true that the active stations are the strong stations, then someone will come with the idea to make QSY from that fequency :-)

73, Stefan/DK7FC
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