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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: OK Dennis and all Probably the wrong place to rant off topic. Just programming a chip and PC was to hand .... too easy! Back into my cave now. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.92 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (m0fmt[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: f82786fce13a7bdfc3036eb41b44b924 Subject: Re: LF: PIC based designs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="131296447-594480496-1377105147=:42049" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2592 --131296447-594480496-1377105147=:42049 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A=0A=0AOK Dennis and all=0A=0AProbably the wrong place to rant off topic.= Just programming a chip and PC was to hand .... too easy!=0A=0ABack into m= y cave now.=0A=0A73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0AFrom: DENNIS EASTERLING =0ATo: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" =0ASent: Wednesday, 21 August 2013, 17:10=0ASubje= ct: Re: LF: PIC based designs=0A=0A=0A=0AHello Pete=0A=A0=0AWell done Pete.= =A0 I echo these sentiments.=0A=A0=0A73 Dennis M0JXM=0A=0AFrom: M0FMT =0ATo: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" =0ASent: Wednesday, 21 August 2013, 15:58=0ASubject: Re: LF: PIC ba= sed designs=0A=0A=0A=0AChristian=0A=A0=0AMy secret is out, I confess I buil= d tube projects, although I am not a total Dinosaur. I build SDR=A0SMT and = PIC projects. My rant was that I have found a project published by W3PM Gen= e. Nicely lay out but totally and utterly useless because there is no HEX c= ode to go with the article. However I have found another of his articles pu= blish which is a dead copy of Johan Bodin SM6LKM=A0PIC project of a few yea= rs ago where Johan did publish all the PIC program details plus HEX code. S= o may be plagiarism is rife on the Interweb?=A0=0A=A0=0AOh sorry Stefan 10n= ano Farads but you knew what I meant?=0A=A0=0AEnd of rant!=0A=0A73 es GL Pe= te M0FMT IO91UX=0A=0AFrom: C. Groeger =0ATo: rsgb_lf_group@= blacksheep.org =0ASent: Wednesday, 21 August 2013, 13:58=0ASubject: Re: LF:= PIC based designs=0A=0A=0AHi Pete,=0AI was thinking you're still working w= ith tubes...;-)=0A73, df5qg=0A=0AChristian Groeger=0A=0AM0FMT schrieb:=0A=0A>Hi all =0A>=A0=0A>This is an open letter to all PIC b= ased designers form a frustrated constructor.......=0A>=A0=0A>"....=0A>=A0= =0A>=0A>As with all construction articles that contain a Micro Processor ch= ip is that =A0the one vital ingredient to make it is the HEX code. It is as= vital as the 0.01 mF decoupling capacitor that goes across the Vcc to grou= nd.=A0=A0=0A>=0A>It is IMHO and most guys I have spoken to over the air tha= t a construction article that has a PIC in the BOM is so much wasted paper.= The Radcom being a typical magazine that delights in publishing the schema= tic of a PIC based project but doesn't publish the Hex script. My guess is= =A0the so called editors have no construction experience and do not underst= and the significance of what they are publishing. I=A0think peoples hearts = sink when they look down the BOM and see 16F84 or what ever. =0A>=0A>The=A0= people who look at these sorts of articles are constructor like me not Code= designers otherwise they wouldn't need a construction article at all, beca= use they would be busily designing there own code .... wouldn't they.=A0I h= ave a G3--- =A0friend=A0who is a great constructor. Nothing in his shack is= commercial ready made. He has a prodigious output of excellent TX and RX d= esigns, keyers and SDR projects, nothing with a PIC. I have encouraged him = to take advantage of the facility to be found in a PIC based project but he= considers them black magic.=A0Because of the RADCOM and other mags that tr= ot these PIC based projects out with little concern if any one actually bui= lds them they are referred to as space fillers of little interest and are i= ntensely frustrating. This sort of incomplete article can be=A0an ego trip = for the writer with the publishing editor oblivious to what is in the big b= lank square in the middle of the schematic.=0A>=0A>So this mail is an appea= l to you and all other PIC based designers please, please publish the HEX c= ode. It doesn't take much space on a page and simple=A0for someone to scan = the code and use word recognition software to convert it along with a bit o= f manual editing if necessary.=A0Otherwise I would say don't bother publish= ing your designs.=0A>=0A>Sorry for the venting but just going through yet a= nother "Oh B*!$$er it's got a PIC in it" article that looked promising.=0A>= =0A>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX --131296447-594480496-1377105147=:42049 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 
OK Dennis and all
 
Probably the wrong place to rant off topic. Just= programming a chip and PC was to hand .... too easy!
 
Back into my cave now.
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX

From: DENNIS EASTERLING <dennis.easter= ling@btinternet.com>
To:<= /B> "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> Sent: Wednesday, 21 August= 2013, 17:10
Subject: Re= : LF: PIC based designs

Hello Pete
 
Well done Pete.  I echo these sentiments.
 
73 Dennis M0JXM

From: M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>
To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" <rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org>
Sent: Wed= nesday, 21 August 2013, 15:58
Subje= ct: Re: LF: PIC based designs

Christian
 
= My secret is out, I confess I build tube projects, although I am not a tota= l Dinosaur. I build SDR SMT and PIC projects. My rant was that I have = found a project published by W3PM Gene. Nicely lay out but totally and utte= rly useless because there is no HEX code to go with the article. However I = have found another of his articles publish which is a dead copy of Johan Bo= din SM6LKM PIC project of a few years ago where Johan did publish all = the PIC program details plus HEX code.= So may be plagiarism is rife on the Interweb? 
=  
= Oh sorry Stefan 10nano Farads but you knew what I meant?
 
End of rant!
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX

From: C. Groeger <aot.aot@gmx.de>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Wednesday, 21 August 2013, 13:58
<= SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject: Re: LF: PIC based desi= gns

Hi Pete,
I was thinking yo= u're still working with tubes...;-)
73, df5qg

Christian Groeger
M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk> sc= hrieb:

>Hi all
> 
>This is an open letter to al= l PIC based designers form a frustrated constructor.......
> >"....
> 
>
>As with all construction articles t= hat contain a Micro Processor chip is that  the one vital ingredient t= o make it is the HEX code. It is as vital as the 0.01 mF decoupling capacit= or that goes across the Vcc to ground.  
>
>It is IMH= O and most guys I have spoken to over the air that a construction article t= hat has a PIC in the BOM is so much wasted paper. The Radcom being a typica= l magazine that delights in publishing the schematic of a PIC based project= but doesn't publish the Hex script. My guess is the so called editors hav= e no construction experience and do not understand the significance of what= they are publishing. I think peoples hearts sink when they look down = the BOM and see 16F84 or what ever.
>
>The people who loo= k at these sorts of articles are constructor like me not Code designers oth= erwise they wouldn't need a construction article at all, because they would= be busily designing there own code .... wouldn't they. I have a G3---=  friend who is a great constructor. Nothing in his shack is comm= ercial ready made. He has a prodigious output of excellent TX and RX design= s, keyers and SDR projects, nothing with a PIC. I have encouraged him to ta= ke advantage of the facility to be found in a PIC based project but he cons= iders them black magic. Because of the RADCOM and other mags that trot= these PIC based projects out with little concern if any one actually builds them they are referred to as space fillers of little inter= est and are intensely frustrating. This sort of incomplete article can be&n= bsp;an ego trip for the writer with the publishing editor oblivious to what= is in the big blank square in the middle of the schematic.
>
>= So this mail is an appeal to you and all other PIC based designers please, = please publish the HEX code. It doesn't take much space on a page and simpl= e for someone to scan the code and use word recognition software to co= nvert it along with a bit of manual editing if necessary. Otherwise I = would say don't bother publishing your designs.
>
>Sorry for th= e venting but just going through yet another "Oh B*!$$er it's got a PIC in = it" article that looked promising.
>
>73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91U= X





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